Nuremberg Prosecutor Wants War Crimes Trial for Bush
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I dare cable news shows to interview Benjamin Ferenccz. Are you listening CNN/FOX/MSNBC? And how about PBS and NPR?
Bush and Saddam Should Both Stand Trial, Says Nuremberg Prosecutor
Aaron Glantz OneWorld US
SAN FRANCISCO, Aug 25 (OneWorld) - A chief prosecutor of Nazi war crimes at Nuremberg has said George W. Bush should be tried for war crimes along with Saddam Hussein. Benjamin Ferenccz, who secured convictions for 22 Nazi officers for their work in orchestrating the death squads that killed more than 1 million people, told OneWorld both Bush and Saddam should be tried for starting "aggressive" wars--Saddam for his 1990 attack on Kuwait and Bush for his 2003 invasion of Iraq.
"Nuremberg declared that aggressive war is the supreme international crime," the 87-year-old Ferenccz told OneWorld from his home in New York. He said the United Nations charter, which was written after the carnage of World War II, contains a provision that no nation can use armed force without the permission of the UN Security Council.
Ferenccz said that after Nuremberg the international community realized that every war results in violations by both sides, meaning the primary objective should be preventing any war from occurring in the first place.
He said the atrocities of the Iraq war--from the Abu Ghraib prison scandal and the massacre of dozens of civilians by U.S. forces in Haditha to the high number of civilian casualties caused by insurgent car bombs--were highly predictable at the start of the war.
Which wars should be prosecuted?
"Every war will lead to attacks on civilians," he said. "Crimes against humanity, destruction beyond the needs of military necessity, rape of civilians, plunder--that always happens in wartime. So my answer personally, after working for 60 years on this problem and [as someone] who hates to see all these young people get killed no matter what their nationality, is that you've got to stop using warfare as a means of settling your disputes."
Ferenccz believes the most important development toward that end would be the effective implementation of the International Criminal Court (ICC), which is located in the Hague, Netherlands.
The court was established in 2002 and has been ratified by more than 100 countries. It is currently being used to adjudicate cases stemming from conflict in Darfur, Sudan and civil wars in Uganda and the Democratic Republic of the Congo.
But on May 6, 2002--less than a year before the invasion of Iraq--the Bush administration withdrew the United States' signature on the treaty and began pressuring other countries to approve bilateral agreements requiring them not to surrender U.S. nationals to the ICC.
Three months later, George W. Bush signed a new law prohibiting any U.S. cooperation with the International Criminal Court. The law went so far as to include a provision authorizing the president to "use all means necessary and appropriate," including a military invasion of the Netherlands, to free U.S. personnel detained or imprisoned by the ICC.
That's too bad, according to Ferenccz. If the United States showed more of an interest in building an international justice system, they could have put Saddam Hussein on trial for his 1990 invasion of Kuwait.
"The United Nations authorized the first Gulf War and authorized all nations to take whatever steps necessary to keep peace in the area," he said. "They could have stretched that a bit by seizing the person for causing the harm. Of course, they didn't do that and ever since then I've been bemoaning the fact that we didn't have an International Criminal Court at that time."
Ferenccz is glad that Saddam Hussein is now on trial.
This week, the Iraqi government began to try the former dictator for crimes connected to his ethnic cleansing campaign against the Kurds. According to Human Rights Watch, which has done extensive on-the-ground documentation, Saddam's Ba'athist regime deliberately and systematically killed at least 50,000 and possibly as many as 100,000 Kurds over a six-month period in 1988.
Kurdish authorities put the number even higher, saying 182,000 Kurdish civilians were killed in a matter of months.
Everyone agrees innumerable villages were bombed and some were gassed. The surviving residents were rounded up, taken to detention centers, and eventually executed at remote sites, sometimes by being stripped and shot in the back so they would fall naked into trenches.
In his defense, Saddam Hussein has disputed the extent of the killings and maintained they were justified because he was fighting a counter-insurgency operation against Kurdish separatists allied with Iran. When asked to enter a plea, the former president said "that would require volumes of books."
Ferenccz said whatever Saddam's reasons, nothing can justify the mass killing of innocents.
"The offenses attributable to ex-President Hussein since he came to power range from the supreme international crime of aggression to a wide variety of crimes against humanity," he wrote after Saddam was ousted in 2003. "A fair trial will achieve many goals. The victims would find some satisfaction in knowing that their victimizer was called to account and could no longer be immune from punishment for his evil deeds. Wounds can begin to heal. The historical facts can be confirmed beyond doubt. Similar crimes by other dictators might be discouraged or deterred in future. The process of justice through law, on which the safety of humankind depends, would be reinforced."
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I'm with Ben....
I'm with Benjamin Ferenccz. What Bush has done are crimes against humanity. It is time the world leaders start holding him accountable and the rethug party leaders too!
Damn good idea Bren. The
Damn good idea Bren. The world is at stake if the neocons stay in power and it is time that those who used to be our allies weigh in on the crimes against humanity, before the BA does more damage to them.
"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag, carrying a cross." ~ Sinclair Lewis
In a time of deception telling the truth is a revolutionary act. ~ George Orwell
Absolutely agree there,
Absolutely agree there, impeachment and removal from office was just the beginning for this pathetic adminstration.
Bush (ADMINISTRATION) War Crimes
I would remind everyone; especially when it comes to war crimes, that it is not George Bush that is the originator and responcible for these crimes.
Bush (is) simply the fool the PNAC-Cabal used to get into Offices of power. Once they put their pawn into the Executive Office, George was obliged to appoint the PNAC-Cabal into control as our Shadow Government.
So it is not (and do not limit) BUSH who needs stand trail for 'war crimes', it is the Bush "Administration." And the sooner we kick them out of office, the sooner the trails can begin, hopefully in the ICC.
Agreed, PNAC should be at the ICC
Ferenccz did not mention the PNAC , so it makes me wonder if he knows about the cabal behind the scenes. Ferenccz dealt with the more overt Nazis, so is it possible that he is not actually aware of our current Shadow Government? It would be very interesting to know Ferenccz' thoughts & comments on the PNAC.
CSPAN compares George to Abe Lincoln
I was watching CSPAN this morning and was astounded to hear Brian Lamb draw a parallel between George Bush and Abe Lincoln. Not only that, he called people opposed to George Bush's policies "haters." Firstly, Abe was an extremely intelligent man who thought deeply before making decisions. He sought out and listened to people who did not agree with him. He reasoned ethically, by that I mean he honestly and objectively examined all sides of an issue before making a decision. To reason ethically requires "nuanced thinking." and we know that George Bush doesn't do that!
George Bush is a ideologue whose mind was made up years ago. For the sake of political expediency, his administration reduces all issues to a mindless bipolar formula: right/wrong, black/white, with us/against us. Our country needs its best and most creative thinking to solve the problems facing our nation and the world. Unlike Lincoln, Bush does not think deeply or creatively. And because he deliberately chooses to exclude anyone who disagrees with him, no hopeful or serious solutions to our nation's problems will emerge from this administration. In these times, that should scare reasonable people everywhere and I suspect that it does.
Approximately 61% of the American people don't agree with Bush's policies. The Bushies think that 61% of the American people are "haters" or "crazy liberals." Apparently so does Brian Lamb. Even moderates don't get off the hook. We are all labeled the same. There is no middle ground for the folks who run and support this administration.
I am extremely grateful to the 61% who use reason and intelligence to think deeply about the Bush adminisration rather than follow it blindly. You are all much more like Abe Lincoln than George Bush could ever hope to be!
I have my own theories as to why the right wing accuses us all of being "haters" and "crazy liberals." It has worked so far as a political strategy, it appeals to their base, and lastly, they are so fearful and full of hatred themselves that they project it onto us. What a sad state of affairs for our country.
I personally don't hate George. Most of us progressives aren't really good "haters." We think too much. I do profoundly disagree with his method of governance. I see his administration as being terribly destructive. They seem to know only one response to any given situation - kill it! Calling us all "haters" and "crazy liberals" is an attempt to kill our influence on the political process. It also seems to be that the disgusting rhetoric repeated over and over again by such people as Karl Rove, Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, and Bill O'Reilly, just to name a few, really represents the soul of the Bush administration and the current Republican party. I could never be a part of such shameful behavior. It is destructive and wrong for America.
The founding fathers knew that our system of government would need throughtful and intelligent people who were actively engaged in the political process. Thank god for the 61%. The only thing they are guilty of is good judgment. Make sure you take at least 2 dozen like-minded folks with you to the polls in November.
Thanks for letting me vent - CSPAN raised my bile to extremely high levels this morning. It gets serious when everyone starts to define Bush opposition in the same bipolar mindless way. Dangerous. Let's start fighting back in a big way by calling it what it is loud and clear and over and over. Karl should't keep winning.
Francis Carol
Lets not forget ...
Adding "Dead Eye" Dick, Karl Rove, Condi Rice, and a few others to that list.
Plus... I think it be great to have a seperate event to make fun of those Broadcasters who were wrong about everything...You know, a "lets throw tomatoes or perhaps eggs" booth ..at the likes of Rush, Hannity, Coulter, O'Reilly, Savage, and other fun people at Fox News.
Then again, maybe we should save all that food for those that need it in those burned out towns over in the Middle East and make the Broadcasters the ones to pass them out.
"Itadakimasu!"