A British Persons Questions on US Politics
Hi All,
Let me start by saying I'm English and have stayed up all night hoping for a Kerry Edwards victory and at the moment I'm quite disappointed.
Ok I have a few Questions for people to answer. These are mainly things I don't fully understand about US politics.
1.Who leads the DEM party?(I thought is was someone called Dashle before Kerry became the challenger)
2.a In England there is a Opposition "Shadow Cabinet" is their anything similar in the US?
2.b If there is would you expect Kerry and Edwards to take up positions there or stand aside as soon as posible for the 2008 DEM challenger to create a platform to hold Bush and the REP party to account.
3.Why did it take so long for Kerry to be selected as the DEM candidate?
I hope you don't find these question stupid, but I was curious.
Thank you .


The legitimization of a President
Way to go Democratic Leadership. Not only have you done a disservice to the whole Democratic Party by the sorry excuse of a campaign you ran, you have legitimized Bush’s first term by losing the electoral vote and the popular vote. The members of the Democratic Party demand answers of how we could lose this election when we out spent the Republicans, not to mention amount of dissatisfaction with the way the county was headed and how the Bush was handling Iraq.
WE DEMAND ANSWERS!!
tall2z
Re: A British Persons Questions on US Politics
1. Terry McAuliffe, the chairman of the Democratic National Committee. Remember that there are Democrats on all levels of government (muncipality, state, federal). Daschle and Kerry represent (well, used to) the federal gov't as senators. Like any CEO that's not getting it done, I suspect Mr. McAuliffe will be ousted very soon.
2a. No shadow cabinet here, although the President can select whoever he wants from any party to help him out on this team.
3. The primaries are a long, drawn out process by design. Back in the old days the nominee wasn't known until the party's convention, but now he's "selected" well in advance. Therefore, the convention is now relegated to nothing more than a big cheerleader rally.
Dan
> Who leads the DEM party?
> Who leads the DEM party?
I suppose, when the president is DEM, the president leads the party itself. When the president is not, it is probably true that no one leads it, although there may be someone whom is considered to merit its leadership.
> Shadow cabinet
Nothing like that here.
> Kerry and Edwards step aside ASAP so that challenger can create platform...
The primary process will have to take place all over again, with individuals seeking the party's nomination. The platform is created by vote of the delegates to the party's convention prior to the election. It is not by created by the candidate.
> Why did it take so long for Kerry to be nominated as the candidate?
Primary elections take place in each state, and the candidates have delegates pledged to them as a result of those elections. Those delegates then may vote for the candidate at the party's convention. A candidate must receive a certain number of delegates at the convention in order to be nominated. The voting of delegates is not rigidly deterministic, and if no clear nominee emerges upon the first balloting at the convention the delegates may be free to vote for other candidates upon subsequent ballots. At least, that's how I understand it.
Thanks
Thanks, it sounds complicated.
Someone said on another site that it might be Schwarzenegger Vs Clinton in 2008 if the REPUBLICANS can change the law. I don't see it myself as Schwarzenegger seems quite a "centered" REPUBLICANS but I suppose he has to be in California.
Hey, Mr. Brit
John Kerry lost b/c John Kerry's views are way out of line with mainstream America. He is a weak, wobbly, pro-abortion, moral relativist, internationalist, who has no interest in fighting the war on Islamic terrorism.
Americans, thank God, are smart enough to see through his facade. John Kerry is now merely a footnote in American history. His popularity was restricted to the liberal enclaves on the east and west coasts. The vast majority of America, as last nights results show, eagerly rejected John Kerry.
It is a great day to be an American. And if the rest of the world, namely Europe, is upset, who cares??!! The Europeans have capitulated and surrendered to terrorism. It is a weak and dying continent. They will pay a heavy price for their weakness.
It's a sad day for American a
It's a sad day for American and the world - and the world knows it! AS Mr Bush got so found of saying at the end "you can run, but you can't hide" and he cannot run from the fact that he has lied to the American people and the world. Here are just a few . . .
So if Bush's (and your) moral and values are absolute, I pity all of US. It's a sad legacy to pass on.
"You can run, but not hide!" -- Bush Jr.
...and where's Bin Laden?
Mr. Brit,Daschle was the Se
Mr. Brit, Daschle was the Senate minority leader. He leads the committee charimen who submit legislation for votes. He can also use his influence to help other Democrat Senators to form strategies to block discussion or actually voting on legislation. He can't control maverick senators but was generally the "funnel" for his party. Kerry was selected as a candidate by the states local parties in their primary elections. Each state can set their own rules. The reason it took time to nominate Kerry is that if all the states had their primary elections on the same day, they'd be overlooked by the candidates who are running. Personally, as a liberal Ohioan, I favored Kerry's ideas and think he's a bright capable guy. But I have to agree with the reverend, Keey and his like disregard others' views and gut passions. Abortion is one I definetly think Kerry has no clue as to how it's perceived. Liberals long ago were generally those who thought out the best interests for those who couldn't fight, pay, or speak for themelves. They generally had the communal responsibility for virtues of fairness and evenhandedness. Also had the masses provided for in their legislations. As I see it, the unborn child fits into the category liberals would've long ago spoken for. It is wrongly considered as a conservative viewpoint but I can't accept it. The idealism has been abandoned by democrats in general. Most these days vote for the individual but reflect just by who they are wishes on topics of abortion as generally abhorant. I personally can see how "choice" can be viewed as a positive here. But I really can't figure out how others like Kerry can't see those who see it the way I do. As repugnant to the nth degree. He might be dismissing those who share my view but that won't get him over the top.
What is the Shadow Cabinent
I'm curious to know what that is exactly... We have people who support democratic views year round-- sending in letters... meeting.. discussing issues and those sorts of things..
Shadow Cabinet
The British Shadow Cabinet is made up of opposition(Conservative) Members of Parliment that sit in the House of Commons with the Prime Ministers(Tony Blair) (Labour) Goverment.
There usally a Shadow Secrectary of State for each Secrectary of State (eg Education,Health,Defence...)
This is the current one and they are lead by the conservative Leader Michael Howard
http://www.conservatives.com/people/shadowcabinet.cfm
The Liberal Democrats alsp have one too but the Consevatives currently are considered the Opposition
http://www.libdems.org.uk/index.cfm/page.shadow/section.parliamentary#LDSCM
opposition leaders
i think it's really strange that the opposition party/ parties in the USA don't have a proper party leader throughout the term in between elections (im from the UK too and we have 3 main political parties), or a shadow cabinet, someone in each of the roles that the presidents' cabinet/ administration would be in charge of. i cant imagine british politics without the opposition leader for any opposition party, and i cant imagine them being chosen so close to the election (although with the conservative party, leader changes happen repeatedly anyway)
why was kerry only chosen 4 months or so before the election?, is this just the way it's done or are there rules governing all this? what is to stop hilary clinton (i think most people believe it will be her) from leading the democrat party now?
Don't know but....
I don't know, but don't let what happened here happen to you!
Our apologies
Please accept our apologies for some of the responses that you have received. Thank you for your support. In fact, I believe that those responses that address morality and issues that simply do not pertain to government due disrespect for our constitutional guaranteed separation of the church and state, which is being eroded by the present administration. These views are not shared by the majority of enlightened or informed citizens in this country, who are, on balance, respectful of others' views. In fact, it is a fringe who feel this way, but they are a very vocal fringe. They apparently believe that morality and religion trump compassion and a social contract. These are only my opinions, but rest assured, we are not all like this.
I have many questions about our "voting machines," which, being owned, run, and operated by large corporations likely had more of an effect on the outcome than the rejection of Senator Kerry.
Again, I apologize for the mean spirited comments.
Thank you, Smdsac
I am grateful for your gracious apology and explanation for the fringe factor's abrupt appearance. Well said.
Thank you, Smdsac
I am grateful for your gracious apology and explanation for the fringe factor's abrupt appearance. Well said.
Who Leads?
Well, as Will Rogers once quipped "I'm a member of no organized political party...I'm a Democrat". People who are incapable of following a leader gravitate to the Democratic Party. Those who want a fuhrer gravitate to the Republicans. The party DOES NOT elect its leader. It should but it doesn't. In Congress the leaders are elected in caucus. But outside, there are only titular leaders. I'd say the Party Chairman is nothing but an administrator. He may speak for the National Committee, but he does not speak for the politicians.
The fact was the country was founded by people who hated parties. So that's why we have back-door parties.
So...
Ok. I think I'm understanding this but ok who decides democrat policy between now and the election ... the chairman?
In England most votes in the House of Commons the party MP's are told to vote a certain way by their leaders (some rebel) does this happen in the US or are your guys allowed a free vote based on their opinion.
Re: A British Persons Questions on US Politics
> who decides democrat policy between now and the election ... the chairman?
I find the question fascinating, as though the questioner is accustomed to someone in particular deciding policy. Is this perhaps an artifact of monarchy? Please excuse my ignorance of the Parliamentary system; the concept of a House of Lords peopled by individuals who sit by birthright it seems equally odd to me.
The legislative branch of the federal government has two houses: the Senate and the House of Representatives. Representatives stand for election every two years and Senators every six years. Each Representative and each Senator is empowered to introduce bills in his particular chamber and each attempts to secure the support of his colleagues both in his own party and, if feasible, from the other party as well. Each bill introduced in a chamber can become law only if the other chamber also passes it by a majority (or something close to it) and the versions are reconciled. Then, the President must sign it for it to become law.
Ultimately, democratic policy is the resultant of these forces. While there are certain principles that party members tend to embrace, as parties are voluntary bonds of affiliation, democratic policy is made by democrats.
its not someone in particular
its not someone in particular deciding policy, and the monarchy has nothing but a ceremonial role in britain, and maybe not even that after this queen. but the party leader guides the party with his shadow cabinet and party whips tell the representatives (MP's- members of parliament) which way they should vote (on legislation etc)to follow the party line, although they by no means have to agree and often don't. the national executive of the party and its membership along with the party leader and his shadow cabinet decide party policy.
the british parliamentary system is made up of the house of commons (600 or so directly elected MP's from constituencies) and the house of lords. the majority of the 'lords' are now appointed to their position via services to the country etc. only a small minority are hereditary now, and hopefully, as has already started by the blair labour govt, the rest will soon be gone too.
i can't quite imagine a party without a proper standing leader though. the question is why don't the opposition party in the US appoint a leader as soon as, or soon after their defeat at the election, is this just political convention or are there rules to be followed. what would stop them from appointing mrs clinton now?... anyone?
im guessing that part of the reason parties in the US don't have leaders between elections or shadow cabinets is from what i was hearing about the presidential system on cnn today (and a bit on that 'great' (republican) news channel, fox) that the president is free to choose his cabinet and has a lot of free will in choosing them, from either party etc and they follow him. in the UK the cabinet and leader are pre chosen so voters know exactly who they get when they vote (cabinet/ leader can be changed but there will always be someone in each position). in some ways the american public are voting for just one man (or maybe woman- one day) and giving him a lot of power.
Regarding party leaders.T
Regarding party leaders. The president is the leader of our country, regardless of party. He alone has a cabinet, and leads the Executive branch of government. The Legislative Branch of government has a Senate and a House of Reps (similar to your house of Lords and Commons). Both the Senate and the House have a Majority Leader (this is the leader of the majority in the legislative body, independent of who is president), a Majority Whip, a Minority Leader and Minority Whip. For instance, 2 years ago, the Majority Leader of the Senate was a Republican, and then someone flipped parties mid term, and the minority leader became the majority leader, and vise a verse.
Depending upon personalities, either the leader of the Senate or House, of the opposition party to the president, would be the Opposition Minority Leader. Right now, the previous minority leader of the Senate, Tom Daschle was just voted out. The previous minority leader of the House, Dick Gephart, decided to retire. So there really is a void in Democratic leadership. Many people still look to President Clinton as the de facto leader of the Democrats.
British manners
Thank you for posting in a civilized manner. You may have noticed we aren't civilized here. We're idiots. We deserve what we get -- an idiot elected by idiots. Some of us are bigger idiots than others, but we're all idiots.
Speak for yourself, I sir am
Speak for yourself, I sir am no idiot. Why are some democrats America haters? Your pessimism is exactly what turned off middle America.
My neighbors are civilized, I'm civilized, if you feel you are not, there are many locations where you can sign up for etiquette classes.
Finally, how can 60 million Americans all be idiots? This premis doesn't pass the common sense test. If the Democratic party is going to survive, I suggest we learn to understand them.
Weren't Democrats the first to say "What makes them hate us so much" about the terrorists on 9/11?? Why are we more interested in understanding a suicider, then a hard working American Farmer, or an honest value driven American Christian?
Proud to be an American again
There are a great many influences on party policies. Most everybody that is contributing is right to some extent. It can be a very informal process. Unfortunately, big business has considerable influences on both partys. Money does talk. I am sure though, you will get the answers if you read between the BS.
I would also like to believe that the many contributors on this site are also having a influence. In the 4 days that I have been contributing I have seen some very positive discussion amongst the negativity. I hope that party officials are checking from time to time. I would like to hear from them. The people on this site are making me very proud to be a American again.
Oye Shag, why does american concern you so much?
Lived in England for 8 years, watched Tories run your country, No one in America questioned your Lords, MP, shadow cabinet. I understand being informed, but how could you want Kerry so much if you dont understand the political system, and how things go on in DC or america? I watched the BBC, and saw how they reported the news...slewed...Ive read the Guardian on the Northern line from Camden. tell me about Blair? why dont you throw that puppet out??
no one is questioning the ame
no one is questioning the american system, just aking some questions about it, if you don't want to answer just don't say anything.
who wants kerry so much? i prefered him to bush. end of story. i dont think i need to know the ins and outs of the american parliamentary system to decide who i would personally prefer to see, as president of the country, that can have a impact on other parts of the world. the whole point of my questions were to get a better understanding of the american system.
the guardian and the bbc are not the only way brits get our news, you read the guardian on the northern line from camden, what does that mean to me, what you read it everyday? once? did you choose to read this known social left wing (ish) newspaper? its one small part of our media.
from all replys so far i have found yours the most unhelpful and pointless.
Asking questions about America
It is obviously frustrating how many outside America are blatantly criticizing america, (both positive and negative) with out the remotest idea of how our country is run. It reminds me of a trip to Africa, i was present when some long island woman criticized a Zulu leader for having multiple wives. We operate on different rules, values and different nations.
England has many many times pointed its fingers at America without full knowledge of the topic or our society and expressed what we should do. This election, many in England took it upon themselves to personally WRITE LETTERS to people in OHIO and told them how to vote. Frustrating? you bet. You dont see any single american telling Surrey how to vote in their upcoming MP election. You dont have one AMERICAN telling ENgland if they should join the EC. But perhaps not you, but ENGLAND sticking its nose in our business could have indeed caused our election to go the other way. One thing about us Yanks is that we lead, and dont like to be told what or how to do things in our country.
It may have been unhelpful, my reply, London west, but im frustrated with what im reading in the Guardian, The independent, The BBC, THe Mirror, The Times, and all the other British Blogs this week about how stupid 54 million Yanks are.
Warts and All, America aint England, and while i love england and London, Im glad of that.
Jay, I agree with you. It's d
Jay, I agree with you. It's difficult for people to understand another country without having travelled and lived there. Aren't many of the opinions people form superficial and inaccurate, based on ideas presented in the local media, and we know how superficial and sensationalistic the media can be. True? How many would do the proper research instead of sitting down on the sofa and being spoon-fed crap from the television.
This letter-writing idea was started by the left-wing Guardian newspaper and I agree that it backfired, causing undecided's to vote for Bush. There was a great deal of global interest in this US election as many wanted to see Bush voted out but only a very small sub-set of a sub-set of a sub-set of the people wrote these letters.
Some answers to your questions
I see no one has asnwered your qeustion very well so let me try. I studied both the British Parliamentary system and the US Congressional System.
Your first question about who is in charge of the Democratic party: In the US the head of the party is not as important as in England, because the head of the party is not necessarily the President. In England, the head of the majority party becomes Prime Minister. Since we do not have a Parliamentary system, the President (similar to Prime Minister but not the same) is separately elected and sits only as chief of the executive branch, not legislative. Therefore leadership in the party has less political meaning than in England and the leader or leaders do not necessarily set 'policy' for the government. The leaders of the House and Senate Democrats have significant power over the legislation that the Democrats introduce and support but not final say. Anyone can introduce legislation that sits in either house.
Second question: No there is no shadow cabinet. The 'loyal' opposition is the party with fewer seats in Congress and those with the majority of seats are supposed to converse and at least allow some input into the debates and legislative process. However, since 1996 when the Republicans gained control of the House of Representatives and later the Senate, they have shown no willingness to compromise or allow open discussion and debate within Congress. Isntead they have broken with long-standing US tradition and bullied the Democtrats into accepting an extreme agenda lead by Christian fundamentalists and neo-conservative arch right wingers.
Second question Part b:
In America the losers lose it all. Kerry has no further say in the government except as a Senator with the privelges a Senator has. However, he is perceived now as a 'loser' and someone else will be running against the next Republican in 2008. He may have ended his entire career by 'losing' the election but some 'losers' have stayed around for quite awhile afterwards and still accomplished great things. There is no need to select a 'leader' of the Democratic party until the next election is near, therefore he does not even need to step aside and allow others to build a policy platform. Policy platforms have less relevance here than in Britain even though each party has values and ideals for which they stand.
Question 3: We do not get around to selecting the next Presidential candidate until several months before the election and after a lot of serious campaigning goes on before the primary elections. The primary elections are when each party selects its candidate. If we started this now, it would mean four years of campaigning. As it is, the parties have determined that only about a year of campaigning is needed to get their message out in time to gain enough support for their canfdidate. Also, there is a lot of time between now and then during which likely candidates will 'emerge' as good contestants. Ideally the Dems select the one that is most likely to beat the Repubslican candidate. This cannot be determined at such an early stage with so much time before the next Presidential election.
I hope this helps and please ignore the ignoramus' above who felt you were impolite by asking good questions. They have no idea what the answers are and instead cover that up with insults. The right wingers are in a drunken haze of glory right now and feel it their responsibilty to denigrate anyone who shold even be curious and ask. I admire that you have taken the time and interest. You can be certain those who were impolite have absolutely no idea how the British system works and they are not interested in learning since they believe they know it all already. Its hard to teach someone something that already knows it all.
Jeff
thanks jeff1252 for your repl
thanks jeff1252 for your reply that has helped me to understand the situation more.
as for all the comments concerning the european media and the UK newspapers, of all those you mention im surprised you mention, the times as they were rather happy with the way the american public voted, being part of rupert murdoch's collection and all.
But fundamentally, as much as some american's don't like/ care about the way the media here are reporting bush/ the war/ the election, i think some of the media here, care just as little about what those american's think. and that is the way of the world. just this morning the fox news reporter was talking about how little he cared about what europeans thought and how wrong we are, so who can expect them, us, our media to care too much. some do and some don't, i suppose that is the basic benefit of democracy.
on another note, i for one hope that america and europe, and the world can reconcile their differences because if history has taught us anything, it is that no one nation can stay in control or remain the supreme power, forever. we probably know that better than most in britain. of all the nations around the world, i think america would be the best to take a lead in spreading democracy and freedom. but ignorance and a lack of care and respect is not the right way.
i actually agreed with the war but question bush as president and fundamentally i don't need to be an american to have that opinion.
points of clarification
The president, as jeff1252 observed, is the leader of the executive branch. His power is the most concentrated in any of the three branches of the American government. It is his responsibility, and his alone, to decide foreign policy. Interestingly, while he selects his own cabinet, his power is checked by the Senate, who must approve his nominees to his cabinet and may reject controversial nominees just as they may reject his controversial nominees to the judicial branch.
The legislative branch, if bound and determined to do so, can override the president's veto of legislation provided there is a two-thirds majority in both houses. A veto override allows legislation supported by tremendous congressional will to become law even over the President's opposition.
Until an individual comes to occupy the presidency, the cabinet has no meaning. The identity of who will be appointed to the cabinet in a new presidency is the subject of much speculation.
Thanks Jeff
Thanks Jeff your comments are very helpful.
I apologise to anyone who's offended by my stated support for Senator Kerry. I'm not American but I feel America is the most powerful force on the planet, so who runs the place concerns me alittle.
The last post has me stumped as to the point it was getting at. Sorry.
No Offense
The last idiot who posted is a Republican, and it seems that they have trouble being civil to anyone. Please accept a Democrat's apology on behalf of the regligious right of America.
Blair visit
Thanks
The Blair visit seems ... intresting from over here.
Do you think Bush will pander to his right wing supporters in the next term even though he doesn't need to push for re-election?
Blair seems to be pushing the idea of a more moderate Bush.
Is this just spin for Blair third term campain?
to Reverend Truth
John KerrY, weak and wobbly? Who are you trying to kid?? The only reason people voted for Bush was because there are some arrogant rednecks in this country who don't know even half the truth behind the war on terrorism and try to make their own assumptions about it. Bush is a lying bastard who has turned our country, our America, the US of A, into a country who goes to war with the wrong country for the wrong reasons. And as far as "eagerly rejected Kerry", if you actually watched the election news, you would have known that kerry lost by 3%.
W
Giarc-
Not only the Democrats but the rest of the world was praying that John Kerry was elected, no one can stand George W. Bush, aka President Moron. We are as disgusted with him as the rest of the world. I hope that we can make it these next four years.
"The only thing necessary for the perpetuation if evil is for good people to do nothing." ~Jane Elliott
DUMB & DUMBER
Mr. Bush and Mr. Blair...
Love you Brits...love London ....and thanks for the your compassion!
Although your Brit PM needs to get away from the 'Shrub'...he's bad news.