Ohio has lost jobs, people due to war and yet they still vote for a man who has completely ignored them except it when it comes to the past week.

Oh, for all you people out there who are wondering how an idiot like Bush could get back in to office (that is if he does), look carefully at his staff... in particularly Carl Rove. He is one of Richard Nixons henchmen. This guy is second only to Hitler and his staff of bad guys!

I guess the country got what it voted for... I'll trade a man who can keep jobs, low gas prices, world respect and a pention for jizzing up a blue dress for an idiot drunk! Go figure!

Yeah, I'm sick too.

Way to go Democratic Leadership. Not only have you done a disservice to the whole Democratic Party by the sorry excuse of a campaign you ran, you have legitimized Bush’s first term by losing the electoral vote and the popular vote. The members of the Democratic Party demand answers of how we could lose this election when we out spent the Republicans, not to mention amount of dissatisfaction with the way the county was headed and how Bush was handling Iraq.

WE DEMAND ANSWERS!!

tall2z

I cannot find the words to describe my feelings .. I am numb .. I am in shock. How could anyone, not alone millions of people, vote Bush back in office????? I am appauled! I will keep the faith that Ohio pulls through. Yet even if they do, how on earth could that many people actually vote for Bush????? Something just is NOT right. What do we do when we lose our freedom of speech .. our freedom in general? God help us all ...

Pamela0777

"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter." - Martin Luther King

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The DNC and the Democratic Congreemen are a bunch of whimps.
The should have seen that Bush was going to use the flag and religion to win.
The American Public needs to be educated.!! The DNC did a poor job of doing that.
We must immediately set up a system to educate the US public about the workings of politics and the role of the media.

I am glad that this loser will be sent back to M
Mass. We are 5 Democrats who voted for Bush
because my party could not come up with a better
candidate. This man and the ambulance chaser
are both losers.

Nice try. Kerry has quite a distinguished background. His opposition has been a life-long loser...his miserable history speaks for itself.

5 Democrats who voted for Bush? If you studied, and it doesnt take much effort, you find a considerable life-long difference between Kerry and the Pretender. There is a name for people like you 5--they are called trolls.

Please explain to us why, in your skewed thinking, how a life-long drunk, druggie, business loser, and all-around scamp like Bush can even be compared with Kerry. As for your description of Edwards, you haven't done much in the way of research(at least beyond listening to Rush & Company)on Mr Edwards.

We know who and what you really are. Give it a rest.

Ohio is still open. It will take a few days to work the kinks out of the final tally. It come to pass that Bush will, with the help of lies, dirty tricks, and their famous playbook, finally get elected. But at this time, the actual result is unknown and will remain unknown for several days...if not a considerably longer period.

This time, the SCOTUS is tied 4-4. Rhenquist will probably be dead before Jan 20th. Lots of activity going on right now...to give up so easily is being foolish.

for news coverage, all the education in the world will not help. Once this election has been decided, and it has not been decided as yet, then we have to see what can be done to reduce the damage this misadministration can do to our country.

In the meantime, we need to further refine and define the opposition to the changes that the Bush administration will be forcing through a captive Congress. Damage control is what this is called.

Those of us who have been 'net' activists over the past 4 years, know very well how little the DLC/DNC has done to further out perspective of life as we want it. We can certainly force some changes there. We certainly do better about bringing the media under control so that both sides can be fairly presented to the vox populii.

Lots to do. Should Bush prevail, attacks from abroad against the dollar will produce a level of depression that has been unseen in this country. We already know that this administration have no idea of how to lead, how to steer, how to maintain a healthy economy. The more oxes get gored, the more realistic the populace will become.

Wait and see.

for news coverage, all the education in the world will not help. Once this election has been decided, and it has not been decided as yet, then we have to see what can be done to reduce the damage this misadministration can do to our country.

In the meantime, we need to further refine and define the opposition to the changes that the Bush administration will be forcing through a captive Congress. Damage control is what this is called.

Those of us who have been 'net' activists over the past 4 years, know very well how little the DLC/DNC has done to further out perspective of life as we want it. We can certainly force some changes there. We certainly do better about bringing the media under control so that both sides can be fairly presented to the vox populii.

Lots to do. Should Bush prevail, attacks from abroad against the dollar will produce a level of depression that has been unseen in this country. We already know that this administration have no idea of how to lead, how to steer, how to maintain a healthy economy. The more oxes get gored, the more realistic the populace will become.

Wait and see.

I feel depply sorry for you and your country. God help you- for you shall need it

Well it seems as though we can now say it. America is so caught up on one issue that they forget that there might be other topics worth talking about. I can not believe that morality is a question when we are facing a world that is slowly turning against us. So congrats to you Mr. Bush, you might be able to save the life of a couple unborn cells at the expense of thousands upon thousands of exsisting lives. At least you'll have some extra people to draft when you decide to go ahead with the rest of your world domination plans!

four more years of Bush, but we should try to make it only two more years of a Republican congress.......Lets take that back and then worry about the white house in 2008!

Fool me once, shame on you.  Fool me twice, shame on me!

Dear DNC Chairman Terry Mc. - We need to get Michael Moore on a bigger pedestal so he can become an even fatter Poster Boy for the Democratic Party. I only hope that we can parade more Hollywood Freaks like him around the country during the mid-term elections so the Republicans can pick up even more seats in both Houses. Pls get on this right away. Thanks, Tom DeLay, Texas

As a lifelong Democrat in a Republican state, I have been used to feeling abandoned by my party leadership. But this latest fiasco is simply unforgiveable.
The current leadership of the DNC MUST remove themselves from play. They have lost not one, but TWO back-to-back presidential elections while losing ground in both the House and Senate. This is inexcusable.
No longer should disenfranchised Democrats such as myself suffer from such an idiotic and out-of-touch leadership. We must demand accountability, we must demand change, and we must demand it NOW!
I want resignations...and I want to see them soon. Or else I will begin campaigning vigorously for my fellow democrats in Kansas to leave the party, and either register as Republicans - so they can at least have a voice in our state primary - or as independents.
I am sick of how this party has been led, and I promise you this...I WILL become an agent for change....and if that makes me an enemy of a party that has turned its back on me and left me abandoned, then so be it.

The reasons Bush won are 9/11 and the war. Haven't any of you seen the polls where the vast majority of likely Republican voters still think we went into Iraq because of links to 9/11? All the soccer moms in suburbia were afraid Osama was going to pay a personal visit to their children's school, when in reality, the one thing the terrorists want is something big and flashy (read "New York, Washington DC"), not some suburban backwater.
It's fear mongering, stupid, not the economy or morality. The Dems did the best they could, but in the end, fear and ignorance trumps all. "Moral issues" was just a side show.
BTW, it's funny how many obvious crypto-nazi - oops, excuse me, neo-conservative Repuds like to post on this forum.

I have heard of that stat. Loads of people really believe that Saddam was directly involved with 9/11. The large amount of national stupidity is scary. Fear mongering was largest weapon they had. I do think that the moral issues did play a factor. The evangelicals are strong and well funded. They vote. The economy, sadly, meant nothing. People obviously are not poor enough yet. Not enough hurting to go around. W will fix that...he's got 4 more and I bet he's up to the task.

You guys continue to say that Bush won out of the stupidity of the American people and you wonder why you lost?? Are you guy's really that f*cking stupid. Maybe if the Democrats had a more "inviting" attitude instead of the 'elitist, we are smarter than them how dare these peons not submit to us, we know what is better for them" attitudes you display you might just win a few folks over to your side. Imagine this is why we pay $50,000 college educations for so our brainwashed members in this party can flaunt their elitist attitudes instead of joining with the blue collar working man and then you wonder how you can keep losing.

You guys continue to say that Bush won out of the stupidity of the American people and you wonder why you lost?? Are you guy's really that f*cking stupid. Maybe if the Democrats had a more "inviting" attitude instead of the 'elitist, we are smarter than them how dare these peons not submit to us, we know what is better for them" attitudes you display you might just win a few folks over to your side. Imagine this is why we pay $50,000 college educations for so our brainwashed members in this party can flaunt their elitist attitudes instead of joining with the blue collar working man and then you wonder how you can keep losing.

You guys continue to say that Bush won out of the stupidity of the American people and you wonder why you lost?? Are you guy's really that f*cking stupid. Maybe if the Democrats had a more "inviting" attitude instead of the 'elitist, we are smarter than them how dare these peons not submit to us, we know what is better for them" attitudes you display you might just win a few folks over to your side. Imagine this is why we pay $50,000 college educations for so our brainwashed members in this party can flaunt their elitist attitudes instead of joining with the blue collar working man and then you wonder how you can keep losing.

Michael Moore is a looser. Fact it.
By sucking up to him the election was lost.

Quite frankly, god is part of the problem, not part of the solution.

Traditional christian values: lying, cheating, and stealing--over and over again.

For the people who believe differently: "Kill them all and let god sort them out!" Ann Coulter--Repugnant mouthpiece.

M. Moore is hardly a LOSER. What does 'fact it' mean? The election was not lost...it was stolen...do a bit of research. When you have machines in Ohio registering minus 25 million vote totals...um...something is wrong.

Lying, cheating, stealing works for the Repugs over and over again...has little to do with M Moore.

If you doubt this, give us a couple of weeks to list the fraud for you.

I don't believe in fate or collective guilt. I suspect the election was a fraud and a set up to legitimate Bush's regime, but can not prove it. Even if a majority of the American electorate have indeed been duped or are -- and I hesitate to suggest this -- willing accomplices in Bush's evil designs of neofascist world empire, that doesn't doom me. I, for one, will continue to fight them in my own way, on my own home ground! I won't be hiding out in a bunker waiting for The End. I prefer to create my own narratives! - Mark G. Levey

You may have a point Ronald45. Maybe some democrats do think that the average Bush voter is not the brightest bulb on the Christmas tree. Of course, that may be due to the fact than a great number of you seem to believe things that are patently not true. Like Iraq was involved in planning 9/11. Like WMD was found in Iraq. Like democrats want to ban the Bible. When I hear Bush supporters tell me things like this, I can't help to wonder just how bright they are.

But you know what? Other than his Holy War, Bush is not going to affect my life too much. I am a white male, own a small business employing 25 people in engineering, and am pretty much recession proof. My job is not going to be shipped overseas. Yea… I was angry at the way the blue collar worker (of which my dad was one), was being treated by this administrations policies and the way I see them getting shafted on everything from healthcare to wage concessions. I did not think it was fair. But I was obviously wrong. You have spoken with your vote and seem to be happy with small or no raises, loss of overtime pay, wage concessions, and diminishing healthcare benefits. Fine. My bad. You are happy. Your bosses are damn sure happy, and I make a good living dealing with the bosses, so I am happy. On this issue, I defiantly should vote republican.

I am still not pleased with Bushes foreign policy, and think the war in Iraq was a huge mistake and has little to do with the war on terrorism. But hey....I did my time in the military in the 80's, so it isn't my butt getting shot off. Why should I care? Yea....recruitment is WAY down, the troops are overextended, stop loss is in effect. The military NEEDS more people right now. I read where over 4 million kids between 18 and 25 voted for Bush and support his war. I am sure that these young people will gladly put on the uniform and fight in a war that they think is so necessary. And I will gladly go down any put a sticker on my car that says "Support our Troops". It is the least....the VERY least, I can do. Just don't raise my taxes to pay for it...right? I mean, we surely would not want to be put out by sacrificing something of value for this war, would we? Hell...we purchased a flag and a sticker...what more can they ask? Those kids knew what they were getting into when they joined the service...let them make all the sacrifices.

I think when everyone admits that the Christian Coalition and the Republican Party have joined forces, then Democrats will get a better grasp on how to proceed, and perhaps win an election. I keep wondering why old school Republicans either don't see the union with the Christian Coalition, or are not bothered by it. The Conservative Christian's goals and policies are different from the old time Republican's goals and policies. Ideals that have been a part of the Republican policy such as fiscal responsibility, and less government control of the states and the people are going to the way side. War has been a last resort for Republicans in our history (partly because they cost money) but when we were in war Republicans knew it was no time to cut taxes. Now it's as though our Nation has become the dictator to the world -- our way or no way. And unfortunately it reeks of another Holy War. Our way or no way, and Holy Wars seem to tie in with the Christian Coalition belief that we should take their fundamentalist Christian values and work them into our government policy. The problem with this is the same as it has been through history, when you mix church and state in this way you begin to infringe on the well being of your own citizens and the world at large.
Sometimes I think "we" need to infiltrate the churches and get them talking about important issues like following the 10 commandments -- thou shalt not LIE!!! Of course we would include important issues like civil rights, treating others as you would like to be treated, turning the other cheek, etc. You know, make the fundamentalist Christians be nice and "moral" again. (instead of backstabbing control freaks)
What do you think? Are you with me?

Does the American population really require everything dumbed down -- do we need to do a better job of oversimplifying things that shouldn't be oversimplified? I am torn between wanting to hold up a higher standard and feeling like we have to go to the lowest common denominator to win.

sadly, most people who even bother to get up off their butts to pull that metaphorical lever are grossly misinformed about political matters, and thats just the way it is. speaking on behalf of my age group, my friends didnt give it a whole lot of thought before going to vote. they voted for whoever daddy was voting for *gag*. GET A BRAIN OF YOUR OWN! unfortunately, the majority of the people i associate with are so far to the right they've lost all sense of reality (sound like a certain leader of the free world to anyone else?). i'm 21 so most people don't give me much credit for knowing what makes this world tick, but i pride myself on trying to absorb as much info as possible before choosing the most powerful man on earth, right down to my own city council. it troubles me that most people my age would rather watch a 3 week marathon of spongebob than know that dubya and his evil cronies are going to take this country to hell in a handbasket.
why dont people care enough to care?? dont people realize everything we do is controlled by the powers that be? and those powers are completely demented!?!?
i cant stand how blantantly indifferent our society is. sure people came out in droves to vote this time around, but those people probably couldnt give you a single platform their candidate stood for other than this stupid war. SERIOUSLY!
i'd hate to see things "dumbed down" as you say. but i saw some chart somewhere on this website with the avg IQ of each state. Funny how all the states that voted Bush were on average below 100 (with the exception of VA). That's saying something. I don't think it needs to be dumbed down. people just need to stop seeing this whole process as so unimportant, and get informed (preferably, not by fox).

stephanie

Listen, all you conspiracy theorists out there that think George Bush is the Antichrist, well you are wrong, he’s not and hopefully far from it. He is not in control of some underground organization that hide 25 million votes somewhere, get over it, we lost. The worst thing we can do now is too bury our heads in the sand and not listen to the vote. When people came out the door of the voting booth, they we concerned with a few things, but the one we did nothing about and the reason why his base grew more than ours did is values. The Democratic Party is out of touch with the common values of our country. Unless we do something about this, we might as well join Nader and co, because that’s where we are headed. tall2z

We lost guys we lost. it happens some times. we dont give up, we dont walk around all mopey and ashamed. whats wrong with you people???? hold your head high, you did the right thing. you used your intelligence, the nation is scared they arent thinking straight. but they will come around, Please have faith in tghe American people we always get it right in the end. and 2 years from now when its still hitting the fan i will gladly diplay my "dont blame me i voted Kerry" sticker... plwease hold your heads high.... and to unfortunately quote oyr President...." being right isnt always popular" that is the case here i assure you.. the hard answers are unpopular, the truth about the world is scary, and people dont wanna think about how scary it really is in our world, so instead of facing our problems, alot of Americans were to scared to admit they existed, so they voted for the guy who does the same

Wasn't Clinton a draft doger? As I recall he went to England to avoid the draft? How can Democrats who supported Clinton use that argument not only against Bush but anyone who did not serve?

Excuse me, but I am one of those 49% and yes you are out of touch with the county if you think that the only people that voted on the basis of values are people that are ignorant or true believers. America holds there beliefs close to there hearts. I personally care about values such as quality of the life for the underprivelged, which is a democratic value. We need to reach out the those voters that hold other values which are more well known. The election is over we lost, mainly because those people that hold there values closer to there heart than the hate they have for the president voted more than the democrats that hate the president. Personally I think we lost this election because our lack of relation to the growing Latino population which is should be our Democratic base, but because we are seen as godless heathens they were split (especially in Florida).

tall2z

John, i'm an 18 year old, I voted for you and I hope you run again in 2008. You were a great candidate, I don't even think Bill Clinton could've beatin this right-wing propoganda machine. I loved supporting you, loved voting for you and would do it again in a second. With all do respect to John Edwards(get better Elizabeth), Barrack Obama and even Hillary..John Kerry is the man the lead the country.

Re-elect? Tuesday was the first day Bush was elected.

I like your style maxsend, but you are confusing the carl rove wannabies

tall2z