BIRD FLU: perhaps science fiction?...

Veritas2020 | October 19, 2005

Bird flu sparking human epidemic is 'science fiction': Spain
Oct 19 11:09 AM US/Eastern

Spain's agriculture minister dismissed fears bird flu sparking a global epidemic among humans as "science fiction", saying the virus currently only poses a threat to birds.

"The idea of a pandemic among humans is something from science fiction," Spanish Agricultural Minister Elena Espinosa said on the private radio station Cadena Ser, as Europe braced for the further spread of the H5N1 strain of the bird flu, which has killed 60 people in Asia during the past three years.

Outbreaks of the H5N1 strain have been confirmed in Romania and Turkey, while further tests are being conducted on a suspect case in Greece.

Currently the bird flu is "solely and exclusively a veterinary problem," said Espinosa.

Human infections in Asia were "in very specific poultry raising situations where the families lived with the chickens and infection was due to constant inhalation," Espinosa said.

While H5N1 currently does not spread easily between people, many scientists fear that it may combine with seasonal influenza in humans, mutating into an easily transmissible form that could kill millions like in the 1918 influenza pandemic.

However, Espinosa announced increased surveillance measures and that the stockpile of bird flu vaccine for chickens would be doubled to 10 million doses.

She said a quarantine would be set up around any suspected bird flu outbreaks, with poultry in nearby areas receiving vaccinations.

The Spanish government decided Tuesday to buy six to 10 million doses of anti-viral drugs for groups most at risk for human flu.

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/10/19/051019150912.ke81exhc.html

'where's the U.S. special HHS report?

If the Bush WHite House doesn't care about the environment --and last year's shortage of 'human flu' vaccine...

the 'bird flu' vaccine may just be another reason why we're vulnerable under this administrion...

no matter what; we need to get those 'vaccines' ready or something to cure the basics...

The other side; is that too many 'pharma companies' don't want to take the risk of 'personal liability' that a specific vaccine may not cure the specific flu..and too much at risk if it doesn't work --and the big liability would be on the pharma co's.

So far bird flu reported ; Asia, China, Romania, Turkey and now Russia.

Under this administration,

Under this administration, that can never be discounted.

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Up to now, Big Pharma did

Up to now, Big Pharma did not get into vaccines since they were unlikely to produce blockbusters.

She is the first doctor I read who seems optimistic. But then again she is stockpiling vaccine.

This just in-Hillary pushing for more vaccines.

I just received this email;
Two forum topics in one.

Dear Friend,

Hillary is working to increase the supply of vaccine to help meet the dangers of a worldwide flu epidemic and avian flu outbreak.

"Before we can be prepared to handle a response to a pandemic or avian flu outbreak, we need to make fundamental fixes to our flu vaccine infrastructure - and the clock is ticking," she said. "We need to ensure an adequate and consistent vaccine supply by encouraging more vaccine manufacturers to enter and stay in the United State market."

Hillary has introduced legislation with Sen. Pat Roberts (R-KS) to ensure adequate supplies of flu vaccine, to help prevent recurring shortages of vaccine and strengthen the vaccine delivery infrastructure to be able to respond to a crisis. The legislation would establish market guarantees, enabling the federal government to purchase, stockpile and buy back stores of vaccine, and increase research into vaccine development alternatives.

This week, Hillary called on Secretary of Health and Human Services Michael Leavitt to act immediately and address the delivery problems being faced by state and local health departments to make flu vaccine available and increase communication and outreach efforts to enable state and local providers to meet the needs of vulnerable patients.

"We still don't have the flu vaccine production and distribution infrastructure we need to ensure a stable supply and demand for season flu vaccine, raising serious concerns about our ability to respond to a flu pandemic or an outbreak of avian flu," she wrote Secretary Leavitt. "It is imperative that we have a seasonal flu vaccine production and delivery system in place that works."

Hillary has pledged to keep working with Sen. Roberts to focus attention on their bipartisan bill, the Influenza Vaccine Security Act, and make the reforms needed to strengthen our current public health system.

Sincerely

Ann F. Lewis

Follow the money...

Follow the money...

Bird flu now confirmed in

Bird flu now confirmed in London. Isn't London were they want to build the new factory to make the vaccines for the United States? Let me guess, just another coincidence.

"They want the federal government controlling Social Security

like it's some kind of federal program."

- George W. Bush in a debate in St. Charles, Mo., Nov. 2, 2000

FLU

Submarine   USS Wahoo  ss238

Birds of a feather flock together....Bush, Cheney, Rove
Another scare tactic from this administration?

I found information on CDC's

website;
Apparently the risk of infection from birds to humans is low,
but it does exist.

http://www.cdc.gov/flu/avian/

Key Facts:

http://www.cdc.gov/flu/avian/gen-info/facts.htm

What is the risk to humans from bird flu?
The risk from bird flu is generally low to most people because the viruses occur mainly among birds and do not usually infect humans. However, during an outbreak of bird flu among poultry (domesticated chicken, ducks, turkeys), there is a possible risk to people who have contact with infected birds or surfaces that have been contaminated with excretions from infected birds. The current outbreak of avian influenza A (H5N1) among poultry in Asia and Europe (see below) is an example of a bird flu outbreak that has caused human infections and deaths. In such situations, people should avoid contact with infected birds or contaminated surfaces, and should be careful when handling and cooking poultry. For more information about avian influenza and food safety issues, visit the World Health Organization website. In rare instances, limited human-to-human spread of H5N1 virus has occurred, and transmission has not been observed to continue beyond one person.

But I remember reading WHO

But I remember reading WHO doctors speculating about the possibility of H5N1 mutating into a human to human contagion and that we're overdue for a flu pandemic.

CDC website version...

Although avian influenza A viruses usually do not infect humans, several instances of human infections have been reported since 1997.

Most cases of avian influenza infection in humans are thought to have resulted from direct contact with infected poultry or contaminated surfaces. However, there is still a lot to learn about how different subtypes and strains of avian influenza virus might affect humans.

For example, it is not known how the distinction between low pathogenic and highly pathogenic strains might impact the health risk to humans. (For more information, see “Low Pathogenic versus Highly Pathogenic Avian Influenza Viruses” on the CDC Influenza Viruses Web page.

Symptoms of Avian Influenza in Humans

The reported symptoms of avian influenza in humans have ranged from typical influenza-like symptoms (e.g., fever, cough, sore throat, and muscle aches) to eye infections (conjunctivitis), pneumonia, acute respiratory distress, viral pneumonia, and other severe and life-threatening complications.

Antiviral Agents for Influenza

Four different influenza antiviral drugs (amantadine, rimantadine, oseltamivir, and zanamivir) are approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for the treatment of influenza; three are approved for prophylaxis. All four have activity against influenza A viruses. However, sometimes influenza strains can become resistant to these drugs, and therefore the drugs may not always be effective. For example, analyses of some of the 2004 H5N1 viruses isolated from poultry and humans in Asia have shown that the viruses are resistant to two of the medications (amantadine and rimantadine). Monitoring of avian influenza A viruses for resistance to influenza antiviral medications is ongoing.

http://www.cdc.gov/flu/avian/gen-info/avian-flu-humans.htm

'start wearing a medical mask'...

October 19, 2005

FRANKFURT (Reuters) - Swiss drugmaker Roche (ROG.VX: Quote, Profile, Research) will not let patents stand in the way of getting its Tamiflu drug to patients in case of a bird flu pandemic, its chief executive told Reuters in an interview on Wednesday.

"Patents will not stand in the way of producing the drug for mankind," Franz Humer said. He confirmed that the company had been approached by Taiwan for permission to make the drug.

"We will talk to anybody -- people who can manufacture the drug, and are able to manufacture it faster than us, and complement our manufacturing," he said.

Humer said that Roche could itself satisfy current levels of demand for a normal flu season, plus orders it had received.

"We are now building capacities in anticipation of additional orders," he said.

"We are working very closely with the American government. And that's why it is important to work with other governments, to say: What do you have? Can you help us?" he said.

Humer said he was confident that Roche would sort out its legal dispute with the discoverer of Tamiflu, the U.S. firm Gilead Sciences Inc (GILD.O: Quote, Profile, Research), with which it is locked in a legal battle over the rights to Tamiflu.

He denied that the company had been under official pressure to consider granting other companies licenses to make the drug.

"We had been working on this plan for a number of weeks and were waiting for the U.S. FDA approval (of a manufacturing plant)," he said.

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration has approved a manufacturing plant in the United States, one of 12 production sites worldwide, to be used to make the drug.

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=reutersEdge&storyID=...
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IMO: waiting on FDA, legal disputes, & construction of manufacturing plant could mean ; ''death'...and wasting time-- until another 'disaster'...

Overdue

How can we be "overdue". Is that implying that no matter how much medicine learns or changes, we somehow MUST have a deadly pandemic on some schedule? I've heard about being "overdue" for a big earthquake, and even that is somewhat suspicious since the shape of the earth's crust is dynamic. But I'd trust that prediction more than one that says flu epidemics shrug off any change in medical care.

As I understand it,

As I understand it, historically, there has been a major flu pandemic every 35 years or so and the last one was in the 1960s. I imagine that if medical science had found a way of eliminating all flu viruses and their mutations there wouldn't be doctors talking about the predictability of flu pandemics.

Roche [TamiFlu] @ Capitol Hill today...

Roche [pharma] meeting w/ capitol hill [senators]today to discuss the 'production of TamiFlu'...and the manufacturing production facility...

it will take months to get ramped up w/ agreements are reached...let's just say we need all the help we can get---

this is a start...[from where we are now]...nowhere!

I suggest you read Plagues and Peoples.

We have never been as safe as we believed...but we are not in nearly the danger that we are being lead to believe.  Watch the hand under the table...not the one spinning the shiny coin.

LIBERAL: If the word bothers you, then you don't know what it means.

They want to panic us

Bird flu is being found in the birds. The Administration didn't even talk about it last year when people had contracted it. It is the same scare tactics that they used on weapons of mass destruction, smallpox, and anthrax. Everyone should read the information on the CDC website about the bird flu. We should be informed but we should not overreact. The Bush Administration thrives on creating panic.

Getting Help

Ha! I think this could almost be funny. What the threat of flu pandemic does is show without any possibility of counterargument, that the US is NOT an island that can insult everybody who disagrees. Because without real help from foreign governments, the central pillar of Bush's plan, containment of flu beyond our borders, can't work. All the people he and his nasty followers have slandered for so long will now have to be ASKED to save American asses. There won't be any "coalition of the willing" because flu LAUGHS at such a ragtag assembly. Bush and the neocons will have to swallow their pride and say "if you please". God, that will KILL them! In fact, Rush and a few others will undoubtedly prefer to die of avian flu.

Oh, and this Truthout story doesn't surprise me a bit! http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/110205I.shtml#

America at bat

I eat a lot of meals at the Taco Bell down the street because they will change recipes to give me a totally veggie meal. The store, like many in Mpls, is exclusively staff by Latinas. That got me to thinking about restaurants and bird flu. I was wondering if a pandemic threat would close down the restaurants since people wouldn't want to eat anything touched by the hands of strangers. But then it occurred to me how Minnesota would go into overdrive if any big health threat appeared. I've seen it repeatedly.

But then there are all those OTHER states where making money trumps absolutely everything else. So, there's no doubt flu would find easy pickings within the USA.

And that made me think just how MUCH of this thing looks like national karma. First we have troops trying to suppress a totally chaotic country because it has oil, a country right on the flight path of the wild birds from Asia to Africa where they winter. Just like 1918, a great place for people to pick up the flu bug. So there's strike one.

Then there's our wonderful policy that says healthcare is only a right for those rich enough to pay for it or lucky enough to work for an employer who chooses to offer insurance. We have over 50 million people too poor to afford health insurance. AND too poor to stay home from work. They pick up the bug, they take it to work, does the employer station doctors at the door to send home anyone who looks remotely sick? Why when he's too cheap to help insure the poor people? There's strike two.

Then there's the "guest worker" program which basically exists to help greedy employers get hungry employees who'll work for any rate of pay and never complain about workplace oppression. As has been shown in past public health scenarios, they don't come with the idea that a few deaths from contagious illness matter that much. They produce more kids than can be fed, so they are used to people keeling over. One less mouth to feed when employment is nearly impossible to get. What can I say? Strike three and we, as a money-loving (people-hating) country are outa there!

We COULD repent of our dubiously-moral ways, but then Sodom and Gomorrah got warnings, too, if my aging memory doesn't fail me. And you saw what happened there. Could it be, with the American tendency to swallow resources without a thought, that maybe the world could USE a reduction in its American component? Well, not if we relearned the generosity we heard about in Sunday school. But if we are determined to be the Anti-christ of the world, it might be "good riddance".

Very depressing

but a very Karmic view. Intention is the point. If you make your decisions with the best of intentions, that means you think through the cause and effect of your actions with the best information you have at hand.

Unfortunately, those that have gotten us into this pickle were not concerned with good intentions. Their plan of action revolved solely around what they wanted for themselves, world be damned.

You present an interesting point.

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A series of causes

What I'm talking about is a series of causes. All pretty much come from the same motives. Those motives stink. And the world has a way of paying such people back. I feel a great remorse for the people mowed down overseas because of what people like Americans have done to the earth, but my greatest concern is our inability to learn ANYTHING from our mistakes. Everyone makes mistakes, but those who call every defeat a triumph are doomed. Its a matter of when not if.

1918 and H5N1

A recent newspaper article indicates that H5N1 has some of the particular genetic markers which made the 1918 flu pandemic so virulent. On the other hand, antibodies for H5N1 have been found in the blood of a number of Asians. It also seems that there is a mystery as to which type of bird generated the 1918 flu bug, so there is now a search to figure which bird it was because it might also be the source of the next avian flu pandemic.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/08/science/08flu.html?pagewanted=1&th&emc=th

1918 Was A Bird Flu?

If it killed so many people, it couldn't be a bird flu. Only when the virus becomes a human flu can it be contagious between humans. Also, another point. They've been trying to illustrate how dangerous a mutated bird virus could be by showing how the 1918 killed so many but also killed young vigorous victims. Well, maybe that is BECAUSE the root virus came from a different kind of bird than what we now see as carriers. Maybe that's hopeful news that we should focus more on recent viruses and not look for a replay of 1918.

Bird Flu

Bush and Co.'s latest scare tactic. Remember the almost daily "terror alerts" during the last Presidential election campaign? It's more of the same.

I'm also interested as to WHY this administration has "dropped the ball" AGAIN this year on regular flu vaccines. If we have a flu epidemic of any kind, we're in trouble (especially the elderly)!!!!! This bunch of parasites will get THEIR shots, but to H*LL with the rest of us, apparently.

Exactly

More Weapons of Mass Distraction.

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We Are Soooooooooooooooo Finished!

Meet Stewart Simonson. He's the official charged by Bush with "the protection of the civilian population from acts of bioterrorism and other public health emergencies"--a well-connected, ideological, ambitious Republican with zero public health management or medical expertise, whose previous job was as a corporate lawyer for Amtrak. When Col. Lawrence Wilkerson, former chief of staff for Secretary of State Colin Powell, recently speculated, "If something comes along that is truly serious...like a major pandemic, you are going to see the ineptitude of this government in a way that will take you back to the Declaration of Independence," many of those professionally concerned with such scenarios couldn't help thinking of Simonson. They recalled his own unsettling words at a recent Homeland Security subcommittee hearing on government response to a chemical or biological attack: "We're learning as we go."

Right. The Michael Brown of killer pandemics. I hope every idiot who actually cast a vote for Bush is happy now.

I was looking at a news story about Bush traveling to China and it suddenly hit me: To stave off this thing we MUST have Chinese cooperation. Bush wants to plead for help on the trade deficit, but the Chinese don't have to give him a THING. They know he's a dead (not lame,dead) duck, so they can just smile inscrutably and give him zip. Because if China ruins America economically, the alternative is for them to just stop doing anything about the flu and let it wreak havoc on the world.

Yep, I'd say the Chinese have a pretty solid plan to be the sole future superpower.