My response to a Republican mailing

I received a Republican diatribe from a friend that began with a picture of a flooded school bus yard in New Orleans. It went on to blame local officials for not using their resources properly. Here was my response. Sorry it's so long.

Really? The buses were underwater shortly after the storm was upgraded to “monster” status. Who was going to get them started underwater? And those were school buses, whose drivers were busy trying to save the asses of both themselves and loved ones. School Bus drivers are not emergency evacuation personnel. I counted 125 buses in the picture. From the looks of the fence arrangement, the yard had no more than 175. Each bus can SAFELY AND LEGALLY, hold 44 people. That means that, even if each bus works properly, and you had the available bus drivers, and the buses didn’t have governors to regulate speed, and all the evacuation routes were clear, you could evacuate 7700 people.

Frankly I tend to get vaguely angry at any tendency to blame the victims as "stupid". One crucial factor that seems to have been neglected by a majority of the media is one that is among the most crucial, that being the time in the month the storm struck. Coming only days before folks were set to receive their monthly paychecks, the poor in the city (and New Orleans is, last I checked, the third poorest major city in the nation, only behind El Paso and San Antonio, which are marked by huge, spawling barrios of recent immigrants) had little to no opportunity to avoid a storm that, to remind everyone, was only upgraded to a monster storm a matter of hours before it hit.

Theoretically, even if there were enough buses and cabs to get the entire population out (which, of course, there weren’t), can one expect several hundred thousand (what you consider) careless families to gather everyone together, pool every dollar they have, and set off in a cab to a far away city (which, for all you know, will end up getting hit even worse) at the last minute? When you compound this with the CW that the only folks who die in a hurricane are those who live directly in the path of the storm surge, live in mobile homes, or who are stupid enough to go outside or stand in front of the window I find it very difficult to call someone who decided to weather the storm by holing up in the center room in their multi-story apartment complex (which was on a hill) "stupid". It can be an entirely rational decision to determine that you’d rather spend the bits of money you have saved up on supplies to board up your windows (or whatever) and not risk the possibility of being stuck in traffic in an automobile during a hurricane…

It is my understanding that a typical cost to a family of 4, trying to evacuate for any period of time was going to be at least $1200 dollars (Think food, lodging, transportation). Try to do that on under $10,000 a year income. And with the number of hurricanes that threaten the Gulf coast annually, can anyone afford to evacuate every time a storm threatens? Can you?

Fact: New Orleans had a plan: http://www.cityofno.com/portal.aspx?portal=46&tabid=3
Highlights, please note bold print. This was the point that the Superdome and other emergency shelter plans were implemented. After the evacuation routes had to be closed because of flooding.

Follow these steps:

Stay calm.
Take your disaster supply kit.
Remember as you leave your house to do the following:
- Turn off lights, household gas appliances, heating, air conditioning, and ventilation systems.
- Leave refrigerator/freezer on.
- Lock house.
- Only use the phone in case of an emergency, injury, or illness. If you must use the phone, keep calls brief.
- Do not listen to rumors. Turn on your radio or television for up-to-date information from public officials during an emergency.
- Use only one vehicle for your family. If you have room, assist any neighbors that may need a ride.
- Tune to Emergency Alerting System 870 AM or 101.9 FM radio stations for reports about evacuation routes, conditions, etc. Use those travel routes specified.
- Drive safely. Traffic will be heavy. Law enforcement officials along the route will help with traffic.
- If you need a ride, try to go with a neighbor, friend, or relative.
- Let others know when you leave and where you are going.
- Make arrangements for pets. Animals are not allowed in public shelters. Pet carriers are recommended along with pet supplies.

HURRICANE EVACUATION GUIDELINES
The Greater New Orleans Metropolitan Area presents a difficult evacuation problem due to the large population and a limited road system which is susceptible to flooding. The public is encouraged to act in their best interest and voluntarily evacuate the high risk areas (outside the levee system) before a recommended evacuation.

If you plan to evacuate, leave as early as possible - before hurricane gale force winds, heavy rainfall, and storm surge cause road closing. Leaving early may also help you to avoid massive traffic jams encountered late in an evacuation effort. Listen to the radio and/or television for storm reports and current updates.

An evacuation notice will be issued when a hurricane is forecast to present a danger to Orleans Parish. The timing of this notice will depend on the probability of landfall in this area, and the severity and forward speed of the storm.

The Orleans Parish Evacuation Plan has three phases:
1. PRECAUTIONARY
This phase will concentrate on people who are most vulnerable to a hurricane and the effects of both water and wind. It is directed at offshore workers, persons on coastal islands or in wetlands, persons aboard boats, and those living in mobile homes and recreational vehicles. No special traffic control or transportation measures will be implemented.

During the Precautionary Phase of Evacuation:
1. A State of Emergency may be declared.
2. The City of New Orleans Emergency Operating Center (EOC) will be activated.
3. Special facilities, including nursing homes, begin preparation for possible evacuation.
4. Staging areas and/or shelters will be announced.
5. Citizens implement their personal evacuation plan at their discretion.

2. RECOMMENDED
This phase is enacted when a storm has a high probability of causing a significant threat to people living in the areas at risk. Government authorities will recommend that persons at risk evacuate. Staging areas will be designated for persons needing transportation.

YOU ARE AT RISK:
1. If you live outside of levee protection.
2. If you live in a mobile home or recreational vehicle.
3. If you live in a low-lying inland area or on the coast.

During the Recommended Phase of Evacuation:
1. The City of New Orleans Emergency Operating Center (EOC) is staffed for 24-hour operation.
2. Local transportation will be mobilized to assist persons who lack transportation.
3. Bus routes and locations of staging areas for those needing transportation to shelters in or out of the Parish, will be announced via radio and television.
4. Relatives and neighbors should help family and friends who need transportation and other assistance.

Never take any hurricane lightly; everyone is especially at risk if a hurricane is category 3 (slow moving storm) or 4 and 5 (slow or fast moving storm).

3. MANDATORY
This is the final, most serious phase of evacuation. Authorities will put maximum emphasis on encouraging evacuation and limiting entry into the risk area. The State Office of Emergency Preparedness, State Police, State Department of Transportation and The Louisiana National Guard will assume coordination and responsibility for traffic control on all major evacuation routes. Because of deteriorating weather conditions, at some point, evacuation routes will be closed and the remaining people at risk will be directed to a last resort refuge.

During the Mandatory Phase of Evacuation:
1. Persons living in designated evacuation zones will be instructed to leave.
2. Traffic controls will be imposed to direct persons to designated evacuation routes.
3. Emergency Alerting System(EAS) radio stations 870 AM & 101.9 FM and news media will issue evacuation information.

Evacuation Considerations to Keep in Mind:
1. Has your area been advised to evacuate by local and/or state officials via radio and television?
2. Will you stay with a friend or relative, or at a hotel or motel out of the risk area?
3. Will you go to a shelter out of the risk area?

Prepare to evacuate if advised to do so by officials through Radio or Television.

Question. How many conservatives does it take to evacuate poor people from areas of natural disasters? Answer. We don’t know, its never happened. After all, this is God’s way of culling the herd. And its their own fault that they are poor anyway, don’t disturb me during a $100,000 a plate fundraiser.

Fact:
New Orleans had long known it was highly vulnerable to flooding and a direct hit from a hurricane. In fact, the federal government has been working with state and local officials in the region since the late 1960s on major hurricane and flood relief efforts. When flooding from a massive rainstorm in May 1995 killed six people, Congress authorized the Southeast Louisiana Urban Flood Control Project, or SELA.

Over the next 10 years, the Army Corps of Engineers, tasked with carrying out SELA, spent $430 million on shoring up levees and building pumping stations, with $50 million in local aid. But at least $250 million in crucial projects remained, even as hurricane activity in the Atlantic Basin increased dramatically and the levees surrounding New Orleans continued to subside.
HURRICANE COVERAGE

Yet after 2003, the flow of federal dollars toward SELA dropped to a trickle. The Corps never tried to hide the fact that the spending pressures of the war in Iraq, as well as homeland security -- coming at the same time as federal tax cuts -- was the reason for the strain. At least nine articles in the Times-Picayune from 2004 and 2005 specifically cite the cost of Iraq as a reason for the lack of hurricane- and flood-control dollars.

Source http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_con...

Question: Should local officials have raised taxes on themselves to improve the levees when the Federal Government clearly lost interest in locals security projects in deference to Iraq? WHAT? HIGHER TAXES?

How many Republicans does it take to fix a levee? None! When the levee realizes it might break, it will fix itself.

Fact:

According to the Times-Picayune, early in Bush's first term FEMA director Joe Allbaugh ordered a sophisticated computer simulation of what would happen if a category 5 storm hit New Orleans. Joseph Suhayda, an engineer at Louisana State University who worked on the project, described to the newspaper in 2002 what the simulation showed could happen:

Subhayda: Another scenario is that some part of the levee would fail. It's not something that's expected. But erosion occurs, and as levees broke, the break will get wider and wider. The water will flow through the city and stop only when it reaches the next higher thing. The most continuous barrier is the south levee, along the river. That's 25 feet high, so you'll see the water pile up on the river levee.

Whether or not a "breach" was "anticipated," the fact is that many individuals have been warning for decades about the threat of flooding that a hurricane could pose to a set below sea level and sandwiched between major waterways. A Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) report from before September 11, 2001 detailed the three most likely catastrophic disasters that could happen in the United States: a terrorist attack in New York, a strong earthquake in San Francisco, and a hurricane strike in New Orleans. In 2002, New Orleans officials held the simulation of what would happen in a category 5 storm. Walter Maestri, the emergency coordinator of Jefferson Parish in New Orleans , recounted the outcome to PBS’ NOW With Bill Moyers:

Maestri, September 2002: Well, when the exercise was completed it was evidence that we were going to lose a lot of people. We changed the name of the [simulated] storm from Delaney to K-Y-A-G-B... kiss your ass goodbye... because anybody who was here as that category five storm came across... was gone.

Source: http://www.factcheck.org/article344.html

Question: If this could be anticipated, why was FEMA so ill prepared for the possiblility. Are they not in charge with advance planning in case of both man made and NATURAL DISASTERS? Or are terrorist attacks the only thing that Homeland Security is interested in? Can local officials take up the slack for lack of federal funds with out, DARE I SAY IT, raising TAXES?

How many Republican Congressmen does it take to shore up a levee? None. They all too busy blaming Clinton’s penis for the war in IRAQ.

Frankly, it seems that the party of “Personal Responsibility” does its best work at buck passing. Well as far as I am concerned, the buck stops at the President’s desk. It always has and it always will.

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There is a very descriptive letter on the homepage

of democraticunderground that goes into detail about the forces of local, state, and federal at work during a hurricane like Katrina. It is imaginary...it didnt happen in NOLA...at least not this time around. But the planning was in place and could have worked in the manner described in this article.

Points out very clearly that the president and vice president have to be engaged in the problem. That FEMA and homeland security are more than just titles for horse's asses to run. That someone had a standing 'militia' to control the area...just happened that the LA National Guard were off in the middle east with much of their equipment.

As a result, aid was too little and too late. FEMA was part of the problem. No one at the federal level followed the plans so carefully drawn up at considerable cost.

The buck stops at Bush. One needs to look no further to find the one person responsible.

Excellent thread Vince.

Here is a letter

that was passed on to me, this morning, from an old friend who is not a RW-nut bar, but believed it enough to want to inform me with it.

On Friday night, August 26, 2005 before the Hurricane hit, Max Mayfield
> of the National Hurricane Center took the unprecedented action of
> calling Mayor Nagin of New Orleans and Louisiana Governor Blanco
> personally to plead with them to begin MANDATORY evacuation of New
> Orleans and they said they'd take it under consideration. This was after
> the NOAA buoy 240 miles south had recorded 68' waves before it was
> destroyed.
>
> President Bush spent Friday afternoon and evening in meetings with his
> advisors and administrators drafting all of the paperwork required for a
> state to request federal assistance (and not be in violation of the
> Posse Comitatus Act or having to enact the Insurgency Act).
>
> Just before midnight Friday evening the President called Governor Blanco
> and pleaded with her to sign the request papers so the federal
> government and the military could legally begin mobilization and call
> up. He was told that they didn't think it necessary for the federal
> government to be involved yet.
>
> After the President's final call to the governor she held meetings with
> her staff to discuss the political ramifications of bringing federal
> forces. It was decided that if they allowed federal assistance it would
> make it look as if they had failed so it was agreed upon that the feds
> would not be invited in.
>
> Saturday, August 27, before the Hurricane hit, the President again
> called Blanco and Nagin requesting they please sign the papers
> requesting federal assistance, that they declare the state an emergency
> area, and begin mandatory evacuation.
>
> After a personal plea from the President, Mayor Nagin agreed to order an
> evacuation, but it would not be a full mandatory evacuation, and the
> governor still refused to sign the papers requesting and authorizing
> federal action. In frustration the President declared the area a
> national disaster area before the state of Louisiana did so he could
> legally begin some advanced preparations.
>
> Rumor has it that the President's legal advisers were looking into the
> ramifications of using the insurgency act to bypass the Constitutional
> requirement that a state request federal aid before the federal
> government can move into state with troops - but that had not been done
> since 1906 and the Constitutionality of it was called into question to
> use before the disaster.
>
> Throw in that over half the federal aid of the past decade to New
> Orleans for levee construction, maintenance, and repair was diverted to
> fund a marina and support the gambling ships. Toss in the investigation
> that will look into why the emergency preparedness plan submitted to the
> federal government for funding and published on the city's website was
> never implemented and in fact may have been bogus for the purpose of
> gaining additional federal funding. As we now learn that the
> organizations identified in the plan were never contacted or
> coordinating into any planning, though the document implies that they
> were.
>
> The suffering people of New Orleans need to be asking some hard
> questions as do we all, but they better start with why Governor Blanco
> refused to even sign the multi-state mutual aid pack activation
> documents until Wednesday, August 31, which further delayed the legal
> deployment of National Guard from adjoining states. Or maybe ask why
> Mayor Nagin keeps harping that the President should have commandeered
> 500 Greyhound busses to help him when according to his own emergency
> plan and documents he claimed to have over 500 busses at his disposal to
> use between the local school busses and the city transportation busses -
> but he never raised a finger to prepare them or activate them.
>
> This is a sad time for all of us to see that a major city has all but
> been destroyed and thousands of people have died with hundreds of
> thousands more suffering, but it's certainly not a time for people to be
> pointing fingers and trying to find a bigger dog to blame for local
> corruption and incompetence. Pray to God for the survivors that they can
> start their lives anew as fast as possible and we learn from all the
> mistakes to avoid them in the future.

I received this in the form of a letter from a friend and was able to trace it this far
The Battle over New Orleans
http://www.rightnation.us ^ | 9/7/05 | Bill Weiler

Posted on 09/07/2005 8:51:31 PM PDT by Dweefus

THE BATTLE OVER NEW ORLEANS

It was obviously sent to her from a copy on free republic that I found here. That post traced back here http://www.rightnation.us/ so there is no doubt that it originated with the far far right division of propaganda. Oddly though instead of anonymous authorship it is being claimed by at least three authors ;)

Blame Nagin

Claim: New Orleans mayor Ray Nagin and Louisiana governor Kathleen Blanco refused President Bush's pleas to declare an emergency in Louisiana before Hurricane Katrina struck.
Status: False.
Example: [Collected via e-mail, 2005]

If you search snoops for Katrina you will find some really stupid and some very bad stuff circulating about this storm.

Proud member of the reality based community.

Blame

Submarine   USS Wahoo  ss238

They will circulate this long enough for
a lot of people to believe it, once you
tell people lies for a long period of time
they will believe anything.

The genius of Rove

The minister of missinformation and deception knows exactly which lies to spread and who should spread them. He does it so anonymously, and makes it sound just convincing enough, that the stupid ditto heads trained by Rush Limpballs would never get off their collective asses to check facts.

All you have to do is check out the City of New Orleans Web sight for the disaster plan, to know this is all "Bushshit". But that is how lazy these dumb bastards are.

Saving the world from stupidity
One Republican at a time
Since November, 2004

I wonder if Rove is losing his touch

He is the one who ushered photographers into the bush quarters on AF1 to take pictures of the pres. surveying the hurricane damage from a few thousand feet up. The pics that showed up in a lot of papers around the world gave bush the look of a reluctant tourist, rather than a concerned leader or a take charge, hands on kind of guy. I think the photos caught bush with his compassion down wearing nothing but his apathy. Or maybe I just want to think that ;)

Proud member of the reality based community.

Well Di, that sure has Karl Rove all over it

doesn't it. It was Bush himself who cut the amount of money going to the Corps of Engineers for levee and pump work.

It was Bush himself who had the USS Bataan(correct pronunciation--BAH--TAH--AHN, a Tagalog word and place)following the storm. The ship, a 600 bed hospital, capability of making 100,000 gallons of fresh water daily, lite and heavy choppers and crews, Doctors and Nurses, and all waited for Bush to order them to tie up in NOLA. Bush issued no such order to the Bataan.

Once the storm had done it's initial damage, the facilities of the Bataan could have been used to save thousands of lives.

FEMA spent it's time turning away all sorts of corporate and private assistance while at the same time, doing nothing.

What we saw during and following the passage of Katrina, was the willfull and deliberate murder of a major US city by the federal government and their developer friends(including Halliburton)who want to take the land and make millions with it.

Yep

and now what is the plan? Now that they have sent the poor all over the nation with no way to get back and given Bechtel, Haliburton and Shaw the very lucrative contracts to do the clean up and rebuild will corperate America own the new town? Let's see buy up the raw land of the poor at 10 cents on the dollar, get us to pay for the tear down of existing homes and the removal of poison soil and build god only knows what kind of adult Disneyland?

Proud member of the reality based community.

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