Bankruptcy Vote Switchers and Sellouts

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Here's a report from Maureen Thompson:

The House took two votes on bankruptcy during the 108th Congress. On March 19, 2003, the House voted on H.R. 975; on January 28, 2004, the House took up the Senate bill extending chapter 13 for farmers (S. 1920) and inserted the text of the broader bankruptcy bill. I looked at those two votes in the last Congress to see which Democrats we may have picked up on today’s vote. This email presents the results of that analysis. There are a few people on this list who previously had voted in favor of the bankruptcy bills and started voting no beginning with S. 1920. There are a few who voted no on the earlier H.R. 975; voted yes on H.R. 1920; and voted no on S. 256 today. Go figure!

Democratic vote switchers:
Timothy Bishop (NY) – voted yes on both H.R. 975 and S. 1920 in the 108th Congress/voted no on S. 256
Earl Blumenauer (OR) – voted yes on both H.R. 975 and S. 1920 in the 108th Congress/voted no on S. 256
Corrine Brown (FL) – voted yes on H.R. 975; didn’t vote on S. 1920/voted no on S. 256
James Clyburn (SC) -- voted yes on both H.R. 975 and S. 1920 in the 108th Congress/voted no on S. 256
Norm Dicks (WA) – voted yes on both H.R. 975 and S. 1920 in the 108th Congress/voted no on S. 256
John Dingell (MI) – voted no on H.R. 975; voted yes on S. 1920; and voted no on S. 256
Mike Doyle (PA) – voted no on H.R. 975; voted yes on S. 1920; and voted no on S. 256.
Gene Green (TX) -- voted yes on H.R. 975; voted no on S. 1920; and voted no on S.256
Jay Inslee (WA) – voted yes on both H.R. 975 and S. 1920 in the 108th Congress/voted no on S. 256.
E. B. Johnson (TX) – voted yes on H.R. 975; did not vote on S. 1920; voted no on S. 256.
John Larson (CT) – voted no on H.R. 975; voted yes on S. 1920; and voted no on S. 256.
Juanita Millender-McDonald (CA) – voted yes on H.R. 975; voted no on S. 1920; and voted no on S. 256.
Frank Pallone (NJ) – voted yes on both H.R. 975 and S. 1920 in the 108th Congress/voted no on S. 256.
William Pascrell (NJ) -- voted yes on both H.R. 975 and S. 1920 in the 108th Congress/voted no on S. 256.
Bobby Rush (IL) – voted yes on H.R. 975; voted no on S. 1920; and voted no on S. 256.
Adam Smith (WA) -- voted yes on both H.R. 975 and S. 1920 in the 108th Congress/voted no on S. 256 (read his statement).
Vic Snyder (Ark) – voted yes on H.R. 975; voted no on S. 1920; voted no on S. 256.
Bennie Thompson (MS) -- voted yes on both H.R. 975 and S. 1920 in the 108th Congress/voted no on S. 256.
Edolphus Towns (NY) – voted yes on H.R. 975; voted no on S. 1920; and voted no on S. 256.

Here's a report from Steve Soto at theleftcoaster.com:

31 House Democrats Vote For The Very Wealthy Yesterday, And For The Banks Today

I know that some of you are uncomfortable with the idea that I harp on Democrats just as much as I do Bush and the GOP over a lack of commitment to the middle class issues. But I fail to see how 31 House Democrats voted yesterday to abolish an estate tax on the wealthiest families in the country that will add $1 trillion in debt next decade at a time when we are fending off GOP claims that there isn’t enough money for Social Security, and then come back today and vote against consumers and in favor of MBNA and the ABA for the bankruptcy bill.

I don’t care if you call yourself a member of the "New Democrat Coalition" or whatever other CYA label you want to give yourself. If you vote for the extremely wealthy yesterday and for the banks today, where I come from they call you a Republican.

Here are the 31 who did the dirty deed the last two days:

Melissa Bean, Illinois
Robert Marion Berry, Arkansas (Member of the New Democrat Coalition)
Sanford Bishop, Georgia (Member of the Blue Dog Coalition)
Dan Boren, Oklahoma
Leonard Boswell, Iowa (Member, Blue Dog Coalition)
Rick Boucher, Virginia
Dennis Cardoza, CA
Ben Chandler, Kentucky
Jim Costa, CA
Bud Cramer, Alabama
Henry Cuellar, Texas
Lincoln Davis, Tennessee
Chet Edwards, Texas
Bart Gordon, Tennessee
Ruben Hinojosa, Texas
Darlene Hooley, Oregon
Steve Israel, New York
William Jefferson, Louisiana (Co-Chair of the DCCC)
Rick Larsen, Washington
Jim Matheson, Utah
Carolyn McCarthy, New York (member of the NDC)
Mike McIntyre, North Carolina (member of the NDC)
Charlie Melancon, Louisiana
Collin Peterson, Minnesota (Member, Blue Dog Coalition)
Nick Joe Rahall, West Virginia (DLC Member)
Mike Ross, Arkansas (Member, New Democratic and Blue Dog Coalitions)
Dutch Ruppersberger, Maryland
John Salazar, Colorado (Ken’s brother)
David Scott, Georgia (Member, Blue Dog Coalition)
Ike Skelton, Missouri
Albert Russell Wynn, Maryland

Again, I hope that Rahm Emmanuel spends his DCCC money next year on those more deserving than this crew. I’m sure the ABA and MBNA will gladly finance the campaigns of these 31 next year, and the NRCC won’t run serious opponents against them next year, as a “thank you” for their votes with Bush the last two days.

Right.

And don't think for a moment that Rove doesn't know now who his bitches are in the House. He also knows after the last two days that these Democrats in the House will sell out Social Security.

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Bankruptcy Bill a Joke

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Here's an idea. Prevent the lobbying of democrats and republicans..this is basically a way of buying a vote..nice! All of you politicians are out of touch with the public and out of touch with reality. Your too busy patting each other on the backs for some miniscule accomplishments when you should be out and really seeing what happens with the average americans when you make these changes..instead of looking at the people being the problem..look at the credit card companies who dish out credit to anyone that will take their card..we know that the credit card companies want you to maximize your debt and then make minimum payments on that debt. The credit card companies should not be allowed to hand out credit cards to people who are struggling financially or do not know how to handle credit..there should also be a miminum age of 21 before you are allowed to receive a credit card..this forces you to pay cash or live within your means..

Re: Bankruptcy Bill a Joke

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Chrism,
Let me get this straight, it is the credit card companies' fault when irresponsible, ignorant, nonintelligent people misuse a credit card they desire to acqure? So when people abuse and misuse the system it can't possibly be their fault, it has to be someone elses fault and someone else should be responsible to get them out of the problem they created themselves?

Why is it that Republicans li

Why is it that Republicans like you focus on the small percentage of credit abusers, and conveniently forget the majority who are forced into bankruptcy by catastrophic events?

There were already checks and balances built into the system to weed out and prevent abuse by crooks and deadbeats. Why don't you just admit that this corrupt Dubya/Rove administration is pandering to big business and their coporate whores?

And one more thing: this is a Progressive Democrats private blog, and you are allowed to post here only as long as you are respectful. Please read the rules of this blog here:

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Repugnent Republicans

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If credit cards were the problem, why are the Republicans so adverse to the amendments that were offered helping people with medical problems, job difficulties etc.? Since a majority of bankruptcies fall into this catagory, why the heartless attack on everyone? Simple, you care not for people, only for yourselves. Get over yourself already, credit cards companies are not losing very much money in the long run. They are still making money by the bucket loads. This is not the biggest problem in our society.

The biggest problem is your selfishness.

Edit: Drive a Hummer? Penis too small?

If we establish laws that let

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the CCC employ false advertizing, use bait and switch tactics, which undermine and promote financial ignorance and debt...which prey on the poor and "ignorant" using Loan Shark tactics...all the while giving them tax breaks and political clout to further entrench the system so that during hard economic times people with little hope are forced to rely on credit in order to afford things like basic healthcare....

Then yep it is their fault. If you knowingly mislead people...if you knowingly create attractive nuisances...and if you knowingly prey on the most vulnerable segments of the population all the while reaping record setting profits....

Then yep. It's your fault.

Are there people on the margins who abuse the system? sure...and they exist on BOTH ends...not just the poor schmuck at the bottom. But this bill doesn't do crap to stop major corporations from declairing bankruptcy, from avoiding taxes, or breaking themselves up and throwing more people at the bottom out of work while CEO's make record profits. This bill further shifts the cost to those who can least afford it while giving more to those who already get all profits.

And as the cash pours from one side to the other, the political clout associated with money further tips the balance. In even the most Moderate view this can't honestly be justified. It simply overlooks too many underlying issues with our economy and the growing disparity in wealth in this country. There are certainly ways to limit abuse...but those would be balanced and apply to the margins...not the middle if these were anything approaching an honest effort to fix a problem rather than simply more looting of the economy.

Critter

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Senator Durbin-Illini Pride

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Once again, my Senator does me proud

April 14, 2005

Mr. Vincent Furman
Woodridge, IL 60517

Dear Mr. Furman:

Thank you for contacting me about bankruptcy reform. I appreciate
knowing your concerns.

Bankruptcy law is one of the most arcane legal fields in America. Its
premise is that honest debtors should be given a fresh start, free from
obligations incurred through uncontrollable financial misfortune.

An increase in filings over the past decade has led some to conclude that
the law is too lenient. The need for balanced reform has guided me over
the years that Congress has considered bankruptcy legislation. I believe
that any reforms imposing stricter requirements must also address abusive
tactics by the credit industry.

Financial service companies have the right to reasonable protection from
spurious claims of bankruptcy or from outlandish loopholes that leave some
assets untouchable. I support reasonable limitations on the amount of
home equity those who file for bankruptcy can keep, so that people with
lavish mansions cannot exploit a system that is meant to protect those who
are truly in need. At the same time, consumers have the right to better
information about and protection from aggressive credit card solicitations
and other offers of easy credit that can quickly trap people in debt.

I voted against the Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection
Act of 2005 because it failed to deliver the balanced reform that we need.

Ninety percent of all bankruptcies are triggered by the loss of a job,
high medical bills or divorce. Yet, the bankruptcy bill sets up a rigid
means test to determine who is eligible for relief. Courts are left with
no discretion to waive the means test even if the debtor is seeking
bankruptcy relief because of some terrible circumstance beyond his or her
control.

This legislation also fails to provide for credit card disclosure that
would give consumers the information they need and deserve to know in
order to make sensible financial decisions. All Americans would benefit
from receiving more specific information on their monthly credit card
statements, such as how many months it will take to pay off a debt if only
the minimum monthly payment is made. But this sensible proposal was not
included in the bankruptcy measure.

In addition, the bill fails to address the practices of some sub-prime
lenders who offer high-risk borrowers loans that carry steep interest
rates and fees. Some sub-prime lenders prey on vulnerable members of our
society, including senior citizens and the poor, often driving them into
serious debt and home foreclosures. I offered an amendment to the
bankruptcy bill that would have helped protect consumers from predatory
lending. Unfortunately, my amendment failed by a vote of 40-58.

I offered another amendment related to corporate bankruptcies. Most of
the provisions of the bankruptcy bill related to individual, rather than
corporate, bankruptcies, despite the clear abuses of bankruptcy laws in
the corporate world. When a corporation files for bankruptcy, the workers
are left standing at the back of the line without their jobs, retirement
savings, or health care benefits. Yet this bankruptcy legislation goes
after employees who fall on hard times, while failing to hold corporate
abusers accountable.

In an attempt to level the playing field for employees of bankrupt
companies, I offered an amendment to allow bankruptcy courts to scrutinize
and set aside questionable transfers made by corporate insiders, including
huge payouts, loans, and bonuses that exceed a reasonable compensation
amount. It also would have given employees of bankrupt companies relief
in bankruptcy court by giving them a place in line as a creditor. This
amendment also was defeated by a vote of 40-54.

I am pleased that the Senate did adopt, by a vote of 99-0, an amendment I
offered to protect disabled veterans who incurred debts while at war.

As a member of the Judiciary Committee, I have worked to protect
consumers and promote a balanced approach to bankruptcy reform that will
benefit all Americans. I will continue to pursue those goals.

Thank you again for contacting me. Please feel free to stay in touch.

Sincerely,

Richard J. Durbin
United States Senator

Congress needs to become human

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Many of the Congressmen excluding Senator Durbin above do not even know how their constituents live. Do they know or care that wages are frozen and healthcare benefits decrease? I still believe that they should be called to suck it in too. We should cut their wages anmd benefits or put them on an incentive program. If they vote the way that supports their constituency, they get a bonus. Also, they need to have proficiency and competency tests. Mr.Delay would not be allowed to cheat off of anyone else's paper if he were to be asked to define ethics or honesty. We should also consider outsourcing their jobs to another country. There are many people in other parts of the world who represent the average American better than Congress. We need to eliminate the lobbyists who could make up for any shortfalls created by my quality iomprovement plan since these lobbyists are akways seeking a friendly vote. I think that democracy is the best form of government. However, why do the majority of the people running for elected office have to be scum?

Good people don't run for off

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Good people don't run for office, in my humble opinion, because they value privacy. The prying eyes of other politians and their lap dog media into every possible skeleton in one's closet is more than a feeling human being can bare. Add to that the incendiary rumors and outright lies that one ends up battling, unfairly ruins even the finest of reputations.

I liken this to the teacher that is accused of sexual harassment by a student that he disciplines or has to fail in a class. It matters not that the child has done this before to other teachers, that the teacher is well respected in his or her profession, or that the teacher is fully exonorated in open court. Once the media publishes the allegation, the teacher is branded for life. Just remember the Bush/Cheney ad showing the pack of wolves.

Professional politicians know the power of the media to ruin people's lives. It takes a person with a lot of guts to run for office. And sometimes you have to fight in kind. That is very difficult if you care about other people.

I have been asked to run for political and union offices before. But I just don't have the stomach or energy for the personal feces throwing. They are like a bunch of chimanzees at the zoo.

Vince, I hear you loud and clear.

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I have always been interested in politics and have been active in promoting causes I believe in. Politics can get very dirty, as we all know. It’s ironic that a person outside the political arena can be forgiven for his/her past indiscretions yet we expect our elected officials to be without flaws and faults. Of course they have faults, some are downright scoundrels, liars and thieves. The whole Clinton-Monica L. scandal was uniquely American. Other countries laughed at the spectacle that was made of the affair.
To them this was no big deal. A leader had a mistress, affair, etc., so what? .What was of more concern was What kind of leader was he/she ? .
I am not advocating that our leaders and politicians be morally corrupt charlatans. We already have those people in office right now. The media needs to rein in its addiction to scandal and everything that is dirty and sordid in human nature. That is a large task involving a chance in attitude and ratings. When we can defeat the " if it bleeds it leads" mentality, we will begin the process of change.

Vince,we need honest people

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Vince,
If you really wanted to run, you shouldn't be afraid of the wolves. We need people who aren't afraid. We need honest caring people who don't want to be feted every night by lobbyists. Sure, people attack you but sticks and stones can't harm you. You woul have to try to keep some things in line. You have to control yourself (Bill Clinton's failure to do so has done us harm). I think that we need more real people in Congress. Otherwise, the scum will create the world that we inherit. Sacrificing privacy for the common good would be worth it.

Cleo, you are correct

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That is only one reason that someone might not run. I think even more important is that we have lost the concept of public service.
There was a time that public service had a greater importance amongst the populace. I don't mean to sound like I support the draft, I do not. I do support some form of mandatory public service, and the military could be one option.

Most people have fallen into the rut that says "leave it to the career politicians, I don't have the time".

As a personel aside, at one time I strongly believed that teaching was a form of public service, so the lower salaries didn't bother me. But since our career politicians and business leaders began using teachers as the scape goats for everyone of societies little ills, I no longer feel that way. "SHOW ME THE MONEY"

I second that.

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I also felt a calling to teach. Now, NCLB requires all substitute teachers to be fully credentialed and carry the certifications for subjects taught in the class. Fine, I have all that. It's exactly what's required of the contract teachers, who have benefits, seniority and tenure or are on the tenure track. Substitutes get a pay check and a small STRS pension, that's it. We are the personas non grata of education.I'm not whining, just stating a cold, hard fact.Most of us are trying to get hired in, permanently. Classrooms of 40+ students are the norm,now. Just as the job requirements increased, so should my salary which hasn't changed in seven years! Hello, cost of living increases!
Show me the money!

Personal dilemma

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The average Joe Sixpack doesn't give a crap about anything, unless it affects him directly. They won't pitch in a dime of their hard earned dollar unless it's used for building new NASCAR tracks, hydroponic chewing tobacco technology, or faith-based truck repair.

I struggle constantly with whether I support a draft or not. People in this country need to sacrifice at all socioeconomic levels in this stupid war. The ridiculously rich aren't even chipping in their fair share in taxes, why would they shed the blood of their children? As long as the war stays far away and the flag draped coffins stay hidden, no one will care and Rove/Cheney/Rumsfeld know it. It's all part of the media manipulation arm of the operation.

Maybe if war was made less sanitary, we'd be less apt to use it. Unfortunately, a large part of DoD research work is being done in areas where our casulties are minimal if not zero, like unmanned aerial vehicles, cruise missiles and such. The people on the receiving end of these weapons end up just as dead regardless. Civilian deaths have obviously become acceptable, especially if they're non-Christians and have a different skin color.

Re: Why is it that Republicans lie

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I was just asking a question. I completely respect helping someone who is facing credit issues due to deterioration of health. However, I was referring to the above writer's opinion discussing people who shouldn't have credit cards in the first place, and then you tell me I can't ask a question or express my opinion. Despite whatever political alliance I may have, why would you so strongly uphold the declaration of free speech, but not even allow me to ask a question that suggests a dissenting opinion? Is free speech only allowed if it's in complete 100% compliance with your views? Again, only asking a question, not even offering a dissenting opinion.

The "free speech" whine is a

The "free speech" whine is a typical freeper's response. If you don't share the views of the members of this blog, why are you here? Do you just want to pick a fight, or to disrupt? Do you really expect anyone on here to agree with your neocon opinions or views?

Freerepublic.com will accomodate you and those who think like you, and you can ask your right-wingnut "questions" over there to your heart's content. This blog is for Democrats to discuss issues among themselves, and yes we do have differing opinions from time-to-time. We do not, however, solicit or appreciate neocon, right-wing, blather.

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Wow, I asked a question to understand one's thinking better and I get a lecture on Bush and my neocon opinions? I would like for you to identify one of my neocon opinions please. How do you know I'm not a Democrat? Many Democratic congressmen support the same side of the credit issue as I do. So would they also not be allowed to post an opinion and/or then be called out for their neocon ideals?

I'm not a Republican, but these are the things that turn me off of the Democratic party. I get blasted with name calling, far right-wing thinking, and examples pertaining absolutely to nothing previously stated by me or any threads posted before me.

For a moderate it's extremely discouraging to get ripped by righteous Democrats for asking a simple question when preferrable method could've been just to answer the question so I can better understand an opposing point of view. If you don't ask how can you learn? Unfortunately, this is why the Democratic party is turning many off and losing seats in Congress. Just a piece of advice, instead of being so quick to preach and call names, why not try to educate?

According to your profile, yo

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According to your profile, you're a republican.

If you spent any time reading this blog, you'd see that we're just as angry at the Democrats that voted for this piece of crap. In fact, MoveOn is running ads against Denny Hoyer in his district.

You did not ask a simple question, you were abusive right from the start. Do you remember "irresponsible, ignorant, nonintelligent...". Why didn't you respond to the comment that was made about people with catastrophic medical or job loss problems?

Stop whining about being repressed. It's completely obvious that you aren't here to discuss the issue from our perspective.

Thanks for the advice. Notice that nowhere did I call you names.

You know what Guy, you either

You know what Guy, you either lied on your profile about being a Republican, or you are lying now. In either case, calling us "righteous Democrats" and your "moderate" take on "why the Democratic party is turning many off and losing seats in Congress," gives you away.

So without further adieu, or any more "preaching or calling names," I will just bid you a simple Bub Bye...

Great, another republican fre

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Great, another republican free speech "advocate". Is that the same kind of free speech dished out at Bush's SS "town hall meetings"? The bamboozlepalooza tour is funded by our taxes, but there's no way I'd be allowed in. Seems like you guys only care about freedom when it serves your agenda.

If you read the instructions when you signed up, this is a privately owned blog for Democrats. You're permitted to say whatever you like, but we don't have to listen to it.

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