Leiberman, the DLC and Lyndon LaRouche........
Admittedly this article is a little old and some of what it says has already been proven wrong or "over-reaching" BUT....what it says about Leiberman and the DLC is frighteningly on the mark.
My question is, after reading this article, can anyone tell me with facts what it was about LaRouche that got us all bent out of shape?
I'll admit I have always though LaRouche was a nut job, but now when I sit and try to think why and where that thought came from, I can't remember. Could there be more to this strory than we see?
Lieberman Gang Moves To Wreck Dem Party
by Anton Chaitkin and Scott Thompson
Behind the recent boasting by Sen. Joseph Lieberman (D-Conn.)—crediting himself with the sabotage of Democratic Party opposition to the disastrous Iraq war adventure—is an explicit, long-standing project by Lieberman's sponsors in the Democratic Leadership Council to wreck the Democratic Party, by organizing a "Bull Moose" ticket splinter operation. This longstanding "Trojan Horse" operation involves Lieberman, his Senate bobbsey-twin, John McCain—the mobbed-up Arizona Republican—and a group of Anglo-American financiers and wealthy criminals, who are among the leading elements within the trans-Atlantic "war party" promoting a new American Imperium.
Along with Meyer Lansky Syndicate offspring Michael Steinhardt, the bankrollers and controllers of this effort include the British "Liberal Imperialist" Tory publishing magnate and Richard Perle patron, Conrad Black, who has taken control of the Washington office of the Hudson Institute as the headquarters of both the Iraq war drive and the "Bull Moose" project; Australian media mogul Rupert Murdoch, whose Fox TV, New York Post, and Weekly Standard are the yellow press of record in America; The New Republic co-owner and Al Gore booster Martin Peretz; and obscure financier Roger Hertog, co-owner of The New Republic and Steinhardt and Black's New York Sun.
LaRouche Nails Lieberman Treachery
Lieberman told the Feb. 8-9 Wehrkunde military policy conference in Munich, "when it comes to Iraq, President Bush is just enforcing the McCain-Lieberman policy." In his Feb. 25 "Lieberman Letter," he boasted that he, himself, was "the lead sponsor of the legislation authorizing force against Iraq."
Leading Democratic Party figures have confirmed to EIR, that in recent public appearances, Lieberman demanded that any Democrat seeking public office in 2004 must not discuss the economy; that the only issue to campaign on is U.S. "strategic interests," centering on the need for preventive war; and that for the 2004 elections, it is vital to wipe out all remnants of the Franklin D. Roosevelt tradition in the Democratic Party.
Upon being informed of this latest treachery by Lieberman, Democratic Presidential pre-candidate Lyndon LaRouche issued the following statement on March 12, through his campaign organization:
"With his recent speech denouncing President Franklin Roosevelt, Senator Joseph Lieberman has come out of the closet. Lieberman's motive and connections are already well known. He is leading a charge for a long-standing intention of the Democratic Leadership Council, to split the Demoocratic Party, thus clearing the way for the 2004 McCain-Lieberman 'Bull Moose' ticket being organized by Conrad Black's Hudson Institute."
This Bull Moose project, to splinter and wreck the Democratic Party and replace it with a party of war and empire, to the far right of the GOP, has always been the open goal of Lieberman and the Democratic Leadership Council (DLC), which he long chaired.
Assault on FDR Legacy
Just after George W. Bush's inauguration, DLC founder Al From declared war on the FDR legacy, writing in the DLC's Blueprint magazine, January 2001: "The New Deal political philosophy that defined our politics for most of the 20th century has run its course; the political coalition it spawned has been split. Like Humpty Dumpty, the New Deal coalition cannot be put back together again. The new electorate is affluent, educated, diverse, suburban."
Reverting to the "third wave" rubbish of Newt Gingrich's ideological mentors Alvin and Heidi Toffler, From babbled, "In the Industrial Age, the working class dominated the electorate. The new electorate of the Information Age is increasingly dominated by middle- and upper-middle class voters who live in the suburbs, [and] work in the New Economy...." As to African-American and Hispanic voters: "We cannot afford to get clobbered among white voters for the simple reason that there are eight times as many white voters as there are black voters, and four times as many white voters as all minorities combined."
Earlier, in the Fall 1998 inaugural issue of Blueprint, DLC authors William A. Galston (a student of Leo Strauss) and Elaine C. Kamarck had asserted that "the shrinkage of the middle class and widening gap between the wealthy and the poor" must not be seen "as grounds for returning to a New Deal-style politics"; nor be the grounds "to mobilize lower-income groups for a new rounds [sic] of interventionist, centralized government that protects Americans against all forms of economic insecurity."
Why not? The astonishing claim is made, that "the assumption of rising poverty and near-poverty is false.... The ... middle class is shrinking ... not because poverty is on the march, but because millions of Americans are surging into the ranks of the upper middle class and wealthy." As the poor are to sink from sight, labor unions must go with them: "As labor's share of the Democratic vote declines, the share provided by better-educated upscale voters will increase further [and] ... unions will be less and less likely to provide working majorities...."
Sen. Edward Kennedy (D-Mass.) was right, in January 1995, when he protested to an audience at the National Press Club in Washington that the United States did not need "two Republican parties."
Out To Stop LaRouche's Agenda
Three years ago, the DLC supervised the publication of an authorized book-length group history by Kenneth S. Baer, Reinventing Democrats (University Press of Kansas). The book boasts that the DLC has never been a Democratic Party faction or a grass-roots organization, but has always operated as a pressure group, financed by wealthy speculators and Republicans, and inserted into the Party's leadership, targetting Democratic elected officials for brainwashing and capture.
One well-known senior Democratic Party figure was more blunt: The DLC was created, he said, to stop Lyndon LaRouche from reviving the FDR tradition and taking over the Democratic Party. Given the heavy involvement of such DLC figures as former Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan (D-N.Y.), and allied Mega Group financiers such as Edgar Bronfman, in the mid-1980s "Get LaRouche" operation, there is much merit in this observation.
The DLC's book admits that the so-called "New Democrats" movement was launched in the mid-1980s largely out of the political milieu of the neo-conservatives, typified by Senators Moynihan and Henry "Scoop" Jackson (D-Wa.). Moynihan's Senate career as a Democrat-in-name-only was launched in 1976 under the guidance of Leonard Garment (a stooge of Detroit gangster Max Fisher and later, with Garment's partner Lewis Libby, the permanent attorney for Marc Rich and his Russian "Mafiya"). Other neo-cons such as Irving Kristol and Norman Podhoretz—both longtime allies of fascist existentialist philosopher Leo Strauss—helped shape Moynihan's career; this crew and their offsprings compose the "chicken-hawk" faction currently guiding the United States into hell.
The DLC's authorized history blithely relates some of its formative institutional relationships: "The DLC especially admired the [right-wing Republican] Heritage Foundation ... for its influence in shaping public debate. [DLC founder Al] From recalled that the DLC respected Heritage's ability to accomplish 'effective political work [and] message work' and not only inject its ideas into public debate but reshape it as well.' In fact, Ed Feulner, the president of Heritage, met with From and [Will] Marshall to offer some advice on raising money and disseminating ideas." (Reinventing Democrats, pp. 135-136.)
The book skirts the role of hedge-fund gangster Michael Steinhardt in controlling the DLC, for reasons obvious to anyone familiar with Steinhardt's career as a Wall Street conduit for the Meyer Lansky National Crime Syndicate's dirty money. Later a partner of fugitive financial fraudster Marc Rich, Steinhardt created, with the Bronfmans and others, the Mega Group—a successor to Lansky's "Billionaires Club" of leading Zionist gangsters, who spread their cash around to control the Democratic and Republican National Committees, and simultaneously financed the Jabotinskyite fascist takeover of Israel by hooligans like Ariel Sharon.
While downplaying Steinhardt's role in launching the DLC, the "official" history of the group did credit Steinhardt with orchestrating the vicious "Get Clinton" operations, that produced the impeachment drive and the near hostile takeover of the White House by Al Gore in 1998.
Baer wrote: "Joel Kotkin, a PPI [Progressive Policy Institute, DLC's think-tank] senior fellow, made the first public call for a break with [then-President Bill] Clinton. In a Wall Street Journal column [Dec. 7, 1994], Kotkin argued that the New Democrats should sever ties with Clinton, back a primary challenge in 1996, and even consider leaving the Democratic Party altogether....
"The largest ... sign [of this as DLC policy] was its 'Third Way Project'.... Although never overtly claimed by the DLC leadership, there is some evidence that this project was to be the beginning of a third-party movement. According to Michael Steinhardt, chairman of PPI's Board of Trustees until he resigned at the end of 1995, the Third Way Project was to be 'a new approach to separate ourselves from the Democratic Party.' He explained [to author Baer] that the DLC began to take on a more bipartisan focus, which appealed to a number of contributors, including Steinhardt himself, who advocated the formation of a third party and went so far as to meet with Bill Bradley to try to persuade him to run for President in 1996."
Along the road to the third-party sabotage game, was a trans-Atlantic connection, which has recently formed the axis for imperial fascist politics: "Beginning in earnest with the election of Tony Blair and his 'New Labour' government in Great Britain in May 1997, the DLC viewed its public philosophy as part of a world-wide revolution in center-left politics. This 'Third Way,' wrote From, is 'the worldwide brand name for progressive politics for the Information Age.... Interaction between the New Democrats and New Labour had gone on before Blair's election.... Once Blair was elected, however, the notion and promotion of the Third Way became a DLC ... priority."
Although Bill CLinton was only a half-hearted affiliate of theirs, the DLC backed Clinton's 1992 Presidential race for the simple reason that he was the only Democratic Party candidate with the charisma to beat George H.W. Bush. Very soon into Clinton's first term, Steinhardt and his Mega Group cronies turned savagely against Clinton. Conrad Black, right-wing publishing mogul in Canada, Britain, and Israel, and partner to the Bronfmans, started up a get-Clinton operation based initially in Black's London Telegraph, with backup financing from ultra-right-wing fanatic Richard Mellon Scaife.
Michael Steinhardt quit the DLC chairmanship in 1995, turning it directly over to Joe Lieberman, who was widely known as "the Senator from Mega" for his slavish loyalty to the Steinhardt-Bronfman mob. With Steinhardt and Rich in the background through the late 1990s, Lieberman publicly repudiated Clinton in a Mega-orchestrated campaign to pressure Clinton to resign, and turn the Presidency over to another Mega loyalist, Al Gore. The Peretz-Steinhardt-Hertog New Republic demanded Clinton's scalp, in a September 1998 editorial, which signalled the full-scale DLC drive to bust up the Democratic Party.
These same players ultimately conduited their overt campaign for an anti-Democrat third party Presidential initiative through the neo-conservative Hudson Institute, financed by Conrad Black and staffed by U.S. and Israeli war-crazies in and around the Bush Administration.
Lieberman naturally tries to avoid public identification with billionaire Steinhardt, who has backed only Republicans and right-wingers. But publicly acknowledged is a personal, "religious" connection. Steinhardt, a professed atheist, hired Rabbi Irving "Yitz" Greenberg as a spiritual counsellor. The latter became, simultaneously and conveniently, personal spiritual advisor to Senator Lieberman. When Steinhardt organized the international campaign to con President Clinton into pardoning his partner Marc Rich, he got Rabbi Greenberg to write to Clinton on Rich's behalf, on the stationery of the Holocaust Museum where Greenberg was chief executive. Recently Steinhardt and Rich were in Israel together, helping Lieberman's hero Ariel Sharon win the Jan. 28 elections by influencing Israeli Labor Party leaders to sabotage their own Labor Party chairman, Amram Mitzna, Sharon's opponent.
Lieberman, War, and the Assault on Democrats
The Lieberman for President website, in a Feb. 8, 2003, press release about the Munich Conference on Security Policy, says, "As they have in last few years, Lieberman and Senator John McCain (R-Ariz.) are leading a delegation of Senators and House members to the ... Wehrkunde conference." In Munich. Lieberman said, "Five years ago, after Saddam ejected the UN inspectors, John McCain and I gave up on containment and introduced the Iraqi Liberation Act, which, when it became law, made a change of regime in Baghdad official U.S. policy. You might therefore say that, when it comes to Iraq, President Bush is just enforcing the McCain-Lieberman policy."
Lieberman partner McCain is the ostensibly leader of the "Bull Moose" third party revolt, modeled on the 1912 Theodore Roosevelt operation, which installed the Fabian racist Woodrow Wilson into the Presidency. But McCain's chief organizer, Marshall Whittman, of the Hudson Institute, and formerly Congressional Liaison for Pat Robertson's Christian Coalition, has been given access to the DLC's propaganda magazine, Blueprint, to peddle the wrecking operation.
In a July-August 2001 Blueprint guest column, Whittman wrote: "Bull Moose progressivism—the reform politics of Teddy Roosevelt in the 1912 election ... has been sighted recently.... [It is] a new force, a synthesis of the best of progressivism and conservatism.... John McCain's ... message of political reform, patriotism, and an economics of the middle class [has] struck a chord. It [has] resonated with the most dynamic force on the political scene, the rise of the independents."
The following year, Whittman was again given space in the DLC's Blueprint to further his call for a third-party revolt behind the McCain-Lieberman war party.










Thanks for the post Brian. I
Thanks for the post Brian. I suspected that the DLC was a malignant growth on the ass of the Republican party, but this is disgusting. When is Lieberman's term up? He needs to be replaced as soon as possible, and until then he needs to be censured by the Democratic Party.
Now, more than ever, we need to help Howard Dean in every way that we can, to get this scum-sucking organization out of the Party's affairs, and end their influence on American politics.
Lyndon Larouche...
What can I say? He's got quite a checkered past. My best description of him would be that his tin foil hat has slipped. He's got some whacked out theory that the Queen of England is somehow involved in a drug cartel, somewhere...or something like that. He's got quite a few whacky theories.
He's a convicted felon and he lives in a mansion paid for by bilking Americans out of their money. Because he refuses to relocate (give up his mansion) he cannot run for political office in his state (IIRC). So, he runs on the presidential ticket as a democrat. You've heard of professional students? LaRouche is a professional presidential candidate.
I don't much care for how he bilks our college kids out of money through PIRG. Oftentimes, they don't even know they've contributed to his cause.
But perhaps the most troubling thing I've read about LaRouche (as if the other stuff isn't bad enough) involves 'Operation Mop Up.'
Also, Pictures.
Apparently, Larouche is a bit confused about just exactly what he is.
btw, it's good to see you posting again.
They paved paradise and put up a parking lot.
These are lies you were told.
These are lies you were told. First, LaRouche was convicted for the INTENTION to commit tax and mail fraud against the IRS. Under Bush Sr. during the 'iran contra' 'guns for drugs' days, the FBI raided LaRouches offices illegally and siezed everything. They froze all of the bank accounts LaRouche had. They closed down his science, political, and cultural publications, and arrested many of the members. Then the FBI put LaRouches organization into INVOLUNTARY bankruptcy. LaRouche had so far paid back *EVERY SINGLE PENNY* to his contributors. After they froze his accounts, forced him into involuntary bankruptcy, they started a trial on him. The first 2 judges threw out the case based on fraud and misconduct from the DOJ. The jury in the 3rd case (same evidence and witnesses, totally new set of charges) was not allowed to hear how the govt. forced LaROuche into bankruptcy, nor any of the government corruption portions of the story. After the convicted him as guilty, the jury heard the other side of the story, and said they would have voted no.
Here is the relevent evidence you're not told:
http://larouchein2004.net/exonerate.htm
I'm not going to argue about LaRouche
After reading about Operation Mop Up, I know enough to know that he's a confused person. I don't like how he gets money out of college students through PIRG, and I don't like how his methods remind me of a cult.
He's a non-issue with me.
They paved paradise and put up a parking lot.
"I'm no tgoing to argue about laRouche"
Did you also know that the thugs at CPUSA (Communist Party USA) were the big bullies on campus that beat up all the leftist groups and organizations? If you didn't, then you need to ask a old democrat who was in college in 1971, and was organizing a democratic/leftist movement. They will tell you what CPUSA did to them and others. LaRouche fighting back against the CPUSA who were trying to kill him and were mostly FBI agents anyways, is not confusion but self defence. Here is a copy of the official FBI memo which stated they will use CPUSA to 'eliminate' LaRouche:
http://larouchein2004.net/exoneration/fbicpusa.htm
LaRouche
Is the same nut job that wanted/wants to build a wall along the US/Mexican border complete with Machine Gun turrets. Oh yeah, he's real f'n stable.
A real dyed-in-the-wool facis
A real dyed-in-the-wool facist, and advocates a "benevolent" dictatorship. Appears to like young tough guys too.
You mean...
like "Jeff Gannon"????
LaRouche never wanted to buil
LaRouche never wanted to build a wall with turrets on mexico, you were lied to or are mistaken about whom you speak with. LaRouche wanted to build a Magnetic Levitating High Speed Train to mexico, and build waterways to go from the north down south to green the deserts.
Projects for North America Water and Power Management
http://www.schillerinstitute.org/economy/maps/maps2.html#nawapa
(here is the detailed plan on infrastructure development to green the great american desert and to fertalize the northern mexican desert)
LaRouches Mexcio Development Projects:
http://www.schillerinstitute.org/economy/maps/maps2.html#mexico
THESE type of FDR policies will rebuild the economy of Mexico to make them a viable trading partner and make their economy strong enough to pay back their loans.
I never know what to think about
LaRouche. I got into a huge 2 hour argument about the history and nature of western music with some of his followers in front of a local supermarket. According to Larouche and his followers, music stopped progressing when Beethoven died, and that it is because of this decline that has led to the degredation of democratic societies... According to them, all music since Beethoven is perverse and subverts freedom. Whatever.
Anyway, after that I lost complete confidence in LaRouche. I became convinced he has started some kind of cult of brainwashed orphans so he can form a fourth reich. Did you know that LaRouche claims to have been the architect of Reagan's 'star-wars' program? He called it 'Beam the bomb'...
But then I hear stories such as the one in this post and I wonder where this LaRouche guy really stands. The phrase 'Talking out of both sides of the mouth' comes to mind...
Amazing
I actually know the "architect" of Reagans Star Wars. He works for a private scientific firm with high level Pentagon clearance. He says that 2 days before the State of the Union speech that Reagan announced
the weapons plan, he was asked to write his thoughts of how a space based defence system might work. He was amazed to hear Reagan speak about 2 days later. Guess that LaRouche must have been in the same room.
And if music stopped progressing after Beethoven, than Beethoven is to blame. Every composer that followed him claimed him as their inspiration. But I guess LaRouche must have been in the room when Beethoven died.
SDI and LaRouche
LaRouche was the backchannel negotiator with the Russians, and inventor of the laser beam defence system back in the very late 1970s. He was the person who got Ronald Reagan intrested in it when they sat next to each other at a NRA debate in New Hampshire for the elections at the time. Jeffery Steinberg gives you the entire history here, and your friend who was a archetict of the SDI can verify all the validity. Here's the link:
http://www.wlym.com/mp3/20040501-jeff-cadre-intelligence.mp3
Remember, it's easy to say that you know someone who is an archetict of the SDI, it's another to prove it with the science and political stiuation as Jeff, head of laRouches counter intellegence does here.
I thought Larouche was dead!
I thought Larouche was dead!
I admit to having heard the n
I admit to having heard the name Lyndon Larouche, but not really knowing anything about him. Then out of the blue I got a phone call asking me to give money to help support LL's causes. The caller told me they got my name from when I signed an on -line petition at some point. (Well yes I have - many times). He advised me to visit the LL website for more information.
But I decided not to contibute.
Hillary would be nonsense.....
.....and a DISASTER! People, my fellow progressive democrats, Hillary is not who we need. I dont give a darn malarchy if anyone here believes that Hillary "CAN" win. She CANNOT win. She can do more good where she is if you would keep her in the Us Senate. Shes a shooin for reelection - atleast right now. That is unless we can get Giuliani to beat her! But listen up here. No Hillary for 2008. If any progressive Democrats here believe that Hillary is our saviour or our soul - FORGET IT. I am not against her because she is a woman. I am against her because she cant win, and she is too polarizing. Dont listen to the Right. The Right only wants people to believe Hillary will be the Democratic Nominee for President in 2008 because the Right wants her, not us. We have got to stand strong and forbid Hillarys destroying the Democrats in 2008 and the shortterm enfeeblement of the Democratic Party - atleast until 2012 or 2016. What the hell does anyone here want Hillary for? Progressives should know shes a ticket to disaster. Not a ticket to the White House. For god sake, if the Repugs put up Giuliani, Pataki, Hagel, McCain, etc. For god sake just get on with it and stop talking about Hillary in 2008. She wont win and she can do more good where she is. The polls are rigged to make it look like she will win because the Right wants her not us. HILLARY WOULD BE A DISASTER FOR OUR PARTY!
The only thing we have to fear, is George W Bush and Richard B "Dick" Cheney and the RIGHTWING CONSERVATIVE BIASED REPUBLICAN MEDIA
I'm with You
I'm like Switzerland - neutral to Hillary but there is NO WAY she will win! And I will say it - because she is a woman! A woman will never win a red state and will lose some of the blue vote.
Lieberman and the DLC.....
.....just dont get it. They are forced to believe that Clinton won 1992 and 1996 on a centrist DLC-lite agenda. He didnt. He won because he was a fighter, a leader, a champion of the middle class, He won because he was a string attached to a great mind, Al Gore. Al Gore is the only hope for 2008. There is no way that we willwinthe White House back in the near future without Al Gore as the next Democrat to sit there first. Only the Right wants Hillary. Only the DLC Centrist moderates want Lieberman or some toadie like Bayh. I think Bayh is a wonderful person, but we just cannot afford any more centrist moderate dlc lites. Im not saying we should move far to the left. Thats a recipe for disaster like the Repugs moving far to the right. This oountry is a libertarian minded society. What i AM saying is that we get a progressive left-libertarian like candidate and that would be Al Gore. Gore for 2008. There is no way that anyone but Gore deserves to sit in the White House as the next democratic TWO TERM president. But, now back to the subject of this node, I must say that Lieberman has betrayed the democratic principles of this party FAR ENOUGH. Lieberman is what is wrong with our party. I hear he mayhave a primary challenge from someone like CT AG Dick Blumenthal, if blumenthal doesnt consider running for Gov and he goes for the senate instead, in 2008. If anyone believes Lieberman is a betrayal to the Democrats, let them speak now or forever hold their peace. Lieberman is even being considered a rumored replacement in the Bush Administration next year for Don Rumsfeld. If that happens, That is the last nail in the old coffin for Lieberman being a "Democrat." Lieberman is a disgusting disgrace, and a flirtation for disaster. Heck, i do support Gore for 2008. I support him first and foremost. I support him because he has the right progressive left-libertarian views we need and he is moving away from the Republican-lite DLC faster than anythingwhile still maintaining his status as a DLC founding member. Andhes the only one i firmly believe that can unite both wings of the democrats. Kerry, Dean,and Hillary would be a disaster. Hillary Kerry and Dean are too polarizing. A Lieberman DLC figure , most notably Evan Bayh, would be a disaster too. I am sick of the DLC moderates trying to take over our party with people akin to Lyndon LaRouche and seeing to it that we look likethe Republicans so that the country votes for the real thing- The Repugs. We can do better for 2008 than all of them nonsense Right and DLC-Lite Right/Repug candidates in 2008. We can dismantle this sissy ridden DLC from our party at once and ihope Howard Dean will do that. We can give the Democratic Party back to our founding ideals that we once had since Thomas Jefferson and Andrew Jackson. We dont need any more Hillary Clinton/Bill Clinton DLC centrist-Left "Centrist Moderate" clones. We dont need any more Mondale/Dukakis/McGovern/Humphrey Ted Kennedy Old Guard Far Left Liberal clones. We need a progressive. We need a Thomas Jefferson. Andrew Jackson. We need a socially liberal, fiscally conservative, progressive left libertarian Democrat torule the roost intheDemocratic Party. Like FDR. Like Truman. Those werethe last two presidents that were progressives. True progressives of the like. I hope anyone can distinguish here between farleft liberal that cant get elected except in Massachusetts or Santa Monica, CA, Usa. And of course DLC centrist lites that look like Repugs. We need a TRuman, FDR, Jackson, Jefferson. How can our party possibly believe that we have those Jackson-Jefferson Dinners and Fundraisers, but yet our Old guard Leftist liberalism and especially nor our DLC-lite repuglicanism looks like the party of Jackson, Jefferson FDR or Truman progressivism. We need a fiscal conservative, socially liberal, truly progressivefor 2008 like Dennis J Kucinich or Wesley Clark. No more DLC. f**K the DLC. They are a bunch of Repug clones. But we cant win with far left old guard liberalism either as the country isnot that far left. We need a true progressive that is socially liberal fiscally conservative moderately progressive. Kucinich and Deanlike.
And get rid of Lyndon LaRouche. Whoever said hes a real democrat??????????????????????????
The only thing we have to fear, is George W Bush and Richard B "Dick" Cheney and the RIGHTWING CONSERVATIVE BIASED REPUBLICAN MEDIA
Proposition 64
You were lied to about Proposition 64, much like the other lies spread around about Larouche by people who fund the DLC, and the 'get clinton' operation. Here is the actual text from Proposition 64:
here is the complete text of Prop 64:
http://www.aboutsudan.com/issues/biological_holocaust/aids/aids_prop_64....
It merely made AIDS a disease that would be on your medical record, just like Cancer and other diseases. This was along with a multi billion dollar science driver project he recommended, as a way of finding a cure to AIDS, by rebuilding our univercities and hospitals for students to become much better doctors and scientists. If the population wasn't riled up by the propoganda camaign against this, millions of lives would have been saved.
LaRouches proposal for AIDS S
LaRouches proposal for AIDS SHOULD HAVE been taken up. A multi billion dollar revamping of the medical industry, training new doctors and highly technical microbiologists on government grants to students along with a re-regulation of the health care system WOULD HAVE ***greatly*** decreased the effect of AIDS today. These were ALL part of laRouches proposal which critics always seem to skim over when they want to shape public opinion. You are absolutely wrong about 'gay bashing'. Many of our long term members are gay, and I happen to know a few of them in the Los Angeles office personally.
A former LaRouche Youth Movement member
As I was surfing the net for an unrelated reason, I came across this thread. I am currently a student at Yale University and you can email me at steven.rendon@yale.edu.
The silly slanders on LaRouche are expected. But they are just that: silly. I took a year off from school to study LaRouche, off and on as a youth member. If you want to be serious, you would read Lyn himself, and stop repeating these ridiculous second hand slanders. And for those of you who wish to generate first-hand slanders, it most likely already stems from your preexposed bias from the 1980s media slanders, which are PROVEN IN A FEDERAL COURT OF LAW to be directed from Wall Street, specifically John Train. For crying out load, former U.S. Attorney General Ramsey Clark, A POLITICAL OPPONENT OF LYN, was his appellate lawyer. Now that is public record that you, as a citizen, are 100% able to verify on your own. Don't be silly. Get your facts straight. Then come play with the big dawgs, so to speak.
Who cares?
So did you sign up on this blog just to fire off this one point? If you're done chastising, let us know so we can tally up the bill for this lesson and close your account.
As for the "big dawgs", how many elections has LaRouche won?
Sounds like you "big dawgs" b
Sounds like you "big dawgs" belong to the LL Cult of The Tinfoil Hat (LLCTFH for short). LL is undoubtably smart, but he is also a whacked out fanatic.
If you and your other bro on here are so loyal to LL, why are you on a Democrat blog? You're both very short-term members, and trolls usually pick a "non-issue" to harp about.
Could it be that you two are really something besides Democrats? Hmmm?
Can you believe the arrogance?
Bill, this guy is an idiot. Daddy must have bought his way into Yale.
Is that Bush boy
who was caught in the throws of passion in a mall parking lot old enough to attend Yale?
They paved paradise and put up a parking lot.
Skull and Bones?
Skull and Bones?
Well, big doggy dog....
This is a corner I've been around and back again.
LaRouche is not a democrat, as he is not recognized by our national party as being a democrat. There are reasons for that - other than, of course, Lyndon LaRouche's persecution complex he seems to suffer.
In any event, this is a democratic site. We're here to work to work for and discuss progressive democratic candidates/ideals.
If I wanted to hitch a ride on a space ship, I'd have joined Heaven's Gate.
If you want to fall over LaRouche, do it at a LaRouche site.
They paved paradise and put up a parking lot.
If LaRouche is not a Democrat
If LaRouche is not a Democrat, then how did he recieve over $1 million dollars in matching funds as a Democratic Candidate? Also LaRouche is a FDR Democrat, which compared to the modern '2nd Republican Party' Democrats of the DLC and Joe Lieberman, is something totally different. Joe Lieberman is not a Democrat, LaRouche is the leading FDR Democrat, and there's nothing you can do about that (except maybe study and get involved for 25 years to be a better and more knowledgable FDR Democrat)
You know what Mr. Yale? You
You know what Mr. Yale? You can shove your snobbish talk, contemptuous tone, and Ivory Tower education up your Bid Dawg ass. I don't care where you go to school, you obviously haven’t learned any manners.
The people who post to this board know much more about human dignity and common respect than you obviously do. Clearly you are making up for some kind of personal deficiency by flashing around your credentials and then making extremely disrespectful and denigrating statements such as 'Then come play with the big dawgs'.
You are exactly the type of person we need to PREVENT from EVER entering public service. I would NOT want to be represented by such a high class ignoramus as yourself. Your lack of humility is offensive. If I where going to Yale, I would be much more humble. I hope you get arrested or become homeless so you can learn what the real world is like.
Come off your Ivory Tower, get a job cleaning toilets, and then we'll see if you still use such arrogant and classist rhetoric. You need to be humbled and I hope it comes to you fast and furious.
Don't hold back like that Jus
Don't hold back like that Justin. Just come right out and say what you REALLY mean...;-)
A Yale 'edumucashun'
Don't we have one of those recipients sitting in the WH?
They paved paradise and put up a parking lot.
Hey wait a minute, we're the
Hey wait a minute, we're the snobby elite, remember?
Dang. Another ethical conundr
Dang. Another ethical conundrum.
I'm in the FDR cult
Any REAL Democrat, in the best historical sense, defends the Franklin Roosevelt tradition. Study some protectionist economics, and then perhaps you will have something of substance to say, instead of all this testosterone spilling.
REAL Democrats, i.e. not traders to the Party tradition of FDR, will defend the integrity of U.S. labor (and implicitly the integrity of the global labor force). That means, we need to recruit the "forgotten men" who are experiencing the brunt of the across-the-board state and federal budget cuts, while Wall Street posts records financial profits (not record PRODUCTION, but record PROFIT, something Adam Smith forgot to talk to you about).
It also means that we need to destroy Bush's attempt to siphon away Federal pensions into PRIVATE ACCOUNTS that will be handled by Wall Street directly. This $2.5 trillion is just the kind of liquidity that he needs to keep the U.S. dollar afloat for a little while longer.
If you are a REAL Democrat, you will denounce the phony war on terrorism, begin real global industrial development, and refuse the austerity measures that are raining down on the "forgotten" man and women.
Burn your cultish anti-LaRouche membership card, and follow is lead in taking on REAL fascism.
Lyndon LaRouche: Fascist Demagogue
Link
Lyndon LaRouche: Fascist Demagogue | Fascism Wrapped in an American Flag
(I think this is when you tell me Chip Bertlet is a bad, bad boy.)
They paved paradise and put up a parking lot.
Great, you post a link to a b
Great, you post a link to a book that was funded by the rabid Neo-Con Mellon Scaife foundation. The same people who ran and funded the Get Clinton campaign. Do you randomly pick and choose what to read and believe, or only those sources that agree with your axiomatic assumptions? Jeez do some research before jumping on board.
Didn't Hitler start a youth movement too Mr. Yale?
Didn't Hitler start a youth movement too Mr. Yale?
So whoever starts a Youth Mov
So whoever starts a Youth Movement is labeled as a Hitlerite? What's your point? Didn't Plato also start a Youth Movement which made the greatest discoveries and advances in our recorded civilization? Wasn't the American Revolution a Youth Movement where you had 1 or 2 old leaders like Franklin and Washington, which beat the biggest and worst empire of the time with ideas of beauty and of Platos Republic? How about the civil rights movement. Some of our founders of LaRouches movement organized the Civil Rights movement such as Amelia Robinson and Rev. James Bevel. It is easy to make 1 sentance answers, but that requires almost no thought. Learn the ideas, check out our youth movements website, http://www.wlym.com and then give us your ideas.
P.S.
I think Yale makes people more stupid.
I gave you my background so as to be honest. That what us "Ivory Tower" assholes do.
My REAL credential is studying under LaRouche. In fact, the youth movement members (of which I was one) live on bread, water and Plato. I think that is the most noble cause, and it causes you to be most loving.
If there is one thing I will single you out on, all day long, it will be your inconsistencies. I have absolutely no intellectual tolerance for those who are so vehemently opposed to being intellectual.
And we have absolutely no int
And we have absolutely no intellectual tolerance for airheads and trolls.
Bub bye...
Just trying to teach you some respect son.
Just trying to teach you some respect son. You need a lesson or two. Most intellectuals I know don't poison the dialectic well with condescending language. Which, by the way, is something you LaRouche fanatics tend to do quite a bit.
Anyway, you’re right. This post has nothing to do with Yale, and I am done with this conversation. If you want to start fresh, we'll give you a second chance.
Listen Steven,
I am going to practice what I preach. You where doing fine until you said play with the big dogs. That was just uncalled for.
As far as bread water and Plato goes… That does seem noble and loving to some degree, but you must understand that living a life of bread, water and Plato is also a bourgeoisie entitlement that many cannot afford and does not address the real, hard issues facing the globalized world.
So engage us in a dialectic on LaRouche. I'm sure many of us would like to be civil and continue the conversation. Just be more respectful when you do so. That's all we ask. I'm sure your not an asshole, but you should think twice before you hit that 'Post Comment' button. O.K.?
Living off of bread water and
Living off of bread water and plato to promote social justice is one of the top ones. I own a computer, and many other things, which are also bourgoise entitlments, but I don't claim to make a difference with them. Therein lies the distinction. I don't claim that my bourboise entitlments make any bit of a difference.
Steven, like most other LaRouchies, was fooling himself. You know LaRouche has run for president 10 times? You would think by now he would get the picture by realizing people don't care what he has to say. Otherwise, he would be president right? Anyway, surviving on bread water and plato for social equality is not only a bourgoise entitlment, it's also intellectual masterbation: it only pleases and benefits the participant.
Abraham Lincoln ran for offic
Abraham Lincoln ran for office more times than LaRouche did, and he was the smartest President we've ever had. Our population is stupid, look who we 'elected' as President. LaRouche would have distroyed Bushes re-election chances. You want to criticize LaRouche, yet the Democratic Party lost 2x to the biggest idiot that has ever ran for office, George Bush. Now THAT is sad. It's pretty stupid to believe Bush, but it's even more stupid to lose to him....twice...wow. Time to change your strategy boys, what you've been doing is simply wrong and obvious after losing 2x to this imbecile.
What real hard issues facing
What real hard issues facing the globalized world doesn't Plato address?
btw, since BG asked
Here is a page of information about LaRouche.
They paved paradise and put up a parking lot.
You then have not read his li
You then have not read his litterature, all available on those websites. This is a tactic I see Neo-Cons use. Claim they read something and really just looked at the pictures for a second. Come on man, you can find out exactly what LaRouche advocates from his own writings on his own websites:
http://www.larouchepac.com
http://www.larouchepub.com
http://www.larouchepub.com/eiw
http://www.larouchepub.com/radio
http://www.larouchein2004.com
http://www.schillerinstite.org
http://www.wlym.com
Sorry Brian, but this node ha
Sorry Brian, but this node has turned into a political soapbox for LL, and a couple of his rabid followers. They are no longer with us.