The case for dumping Roe v Wade From The Atlantic Monthly
The Atlantic Monthly | January/February 2005
The Agenda
Cross-Examination
Letting Go of Roe
The Democratic Party's commitment to preserving Roe v. Wade has been deeply unhealthy for abortion rights, for liberalism more generally, and ultimately for American democracy
by Benjamin Wittes
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A re we about to suffer through another horrible Supreme Court nomination dominated by abortion politics?
Bet on it. With Chief Justice William Rehnquist seriously ill, the prospect of a Supreme Court vacancy early in George Bush's second term looms over American politics. The script for this—and every—Republican high-court nomination was written long ago. You already know how it goes: Both his own convictions and the need to keep his political base happy require a conservative president to nominate someone expected to vote to overturn Roe v. Wade, the 1973 case that established the constitutional right of women to terminate their pregnancies. He has only two realistic choices. He can name someone openly hostile to Roe—and thereby trigger a major confrontation with liberal interest groups and Senate Democrats. Or he can name someone with no record on abortion rights but whose jurisprudential approach suggests a predictable skepticism toward them—in which case liberals will insist on trying to divine the nominee's views on the question, which he or she in turn will endeavor to conceal. Unless the president nominates someone the Democrats deem it not in their interests to oppose, the nomination process will become an ugly spectacle in which a single narrow issue pushes to the sidelines discussion of the broad array of other important legal questions the Supreme Court handles. And that process will cast abortion-rights supporters as intolerant of those who disagree with them—or even those they fear may disagree with them.
What's the alternative?
Liberal abortion-rights supporters could chill out.
Do you mean surrender and let Roe die?
That's exactly what I mean. It wouldn't necessarily come to that, of course. Republicans have put seven of the nine current justices on the Supreme Court—and they still have only one more anti-abortion vote than they had in 1973, when the decision came down 7 to 2. Where reproductive rights are concerned, the bark of a conservative nominee is frequently worse than his bite—as three justices nominated by Ronald Reagan or George H.W. Bush proved in 1992, when, in Planned Parenthood v. Casey, they voted that "the essential holding of Roe v. Wade should be retained and once again reaffirmed."
Still, if Roe ever does die, I won't attend its funeral. Nor would I lift a finger to prevent a conservative president from nominating justices who might bury it once and for all.
Are you a pro-lifer?
Not at all. I generally favor permissive abortion laws. And despite my lack of enthusiasm for Roe, I wouldn't favor overturning the decision as a jurisprudential matter. A generation of women has grown up thinking of reproductive freedom as a constitutional right, and the Court should not casually take away rights that it has determined the Constitution guarantees. Stability in law—particularly constitutional law—is critically important; the Supreme Court would do well to remember that. Still, the liberal commitment to Roe has been deeply unhealthy—for American democracy, for liberalism, and even for the cause of abortion rights itself. All would benefit if abortion-rights proponents were forced to make their arguments in the policy arena (rather than during Supreme Court nomination hearings), and if pro-lifers were actually accountable to the electorate for their deeply unpopular policy prescriptions.
That's absurd. How can you say that liberalism and abortion rights would benefit if their supporters gave up on the decision that protects reproductive freedom?
By removing the issue from the policy arena, the Supreme Court has prevented abortion-rights supporters from winning a debate in which public opinion favors them.
Since its inception Roe has had a deep legitimacy problem, stemming from its weakness as a legal opinion. Conservatives who fulminate that the Court made up the right to abortion, which appears explicitly nowhere in the Constitution, are being simplistic—but they're not entirely wrong. In the years since the decision an enormous body of academic literature has tried to put the right to an abortion on firmer legal ground. But thousands of pages of scholarship notwithstanding, the right to abortion remains constitutionally shaky; abortion policy is a question that the Constitution—even broadly construed—cannot convincingly be read to resolve.
Consequently, a pro-lifer who complains that she never got her democratic say before abortion was legalized nationwide has a powerful grievance. And there's nothing quite like denying people a say in policy to energize their commitment to a position. This point is not limited to abortion. For instance, the host of gay-marriage ballot initiatives in November came in direct response to the decision by the Massachusetts Supreme Court to treat same-sex unions as a judicial matter rather than a legislative one. And less than a year before the Court handed down Roe, it single-handedly reinvigorated a public commitment to capital punishment (which at that point was on the way out) by striking down the death penalty as then practiced; within several years states had rewritten their laws, the Court had backed down, and executions had skyrocketed to levels unseen in decades.
But the Court has not backed down on abortion. Thus the pro-life sense of disenfranchisement has been irremediable—making it all the more potent. One effect of Roe was to mobilize a permanent constituency for criminalizing abortion—a constituency that has driven much of the southern realignment toward conservatism. So although Roe created the right to choose, that right exists under perpetual threat of obliteration, and depends for its vitality on the composition of the Supreme Court at any given moment.
Meanwhile, Roe gives pro-life politicians a free pass. A large majority of voters reject the hard-line anti-abortion stance: in Gallup polling since 1975, for example, about 80 percent of respondents have consistently favored either legal abortion in all circumstances (21 to 34 percent) or legal abortion under some circumstances (48 to 61 percent). Although a plurality of Americans appear to favor abortion rights substantially more limited than what Roe guarantees, significantly more voters describe themselves as "pro-choice" than "pro-life." Yet because the Court has removed the abortion question from the legislative realm, conservative politicians are free to cater to pro-lifers by proposing policies that, if ever actually implemented, would render those politicians quite unpopular.
In short, Roe puts liberals in the position of defending a lousy opinion that disenfranchised millions of conservatives on an issue about which they care deeply while freeing those conservatives from any obligation to articulate a responsible policy that might command majority support.
But if the Court overturns Roe, won't we go back to the bad old days of back-alley abortions?
I doubt it. The day the Court overturns Roe, abortion will suddenly become a voting issue for millions of pro-choice voters who care about it but know today that the right is protected not by congressional politics but by the courts. At the same time, thousands of conservative politicians will face a dreadful choice: backtrack from the anti-abortion ground they have staked out and risk infuriating their pro-life base; or deliver on their promise to eliminate the right to abortion, and risk the wrath of a moderate, pro-choice majority. In the short term some states might pass highly restrictive abortion laws, or even outright bans—but the backlash could be devastating for conservatism. Liberals should be salivating at their electoral prospects in a post-Roe world. The simple fact is that a majority of Americans want abortion legal at least some of the time, and the majority in a democracy tends to get what it wants on issues about which it cares strongly. In the absence of Roe abortion rights would probably be protected by the laws of most states relatively quickly.
Sure, certain state legislatures will impose restrictions that would be impermissible under the Supreme Court's current doctrine; some women might have to travel to another state to get abortions. But the right to abortion would most likely enjoy a measure of security it does not now have. Legislative compromises tend to be durable, since they bring a sense of resolution to divisive issues by balancing competing interests; mustering a working majority to upset them can be far more difficult than rallying discontent against the edicts of unelected judges. In short, overturning Roe would lead to greater regional variability in the right to abortion, but this would be a worthwhile price for pro-choice voters to pay in exchange for greater democratic legitimacy for that right and, therefore, greater acceptance of and permanence for it.
Hang on a second. This is a constitutional right at stake. You don't argue that blacks should place their civil rights at the mercy of the majority. Why should women? Isn't fighting for fundamental rights a matter of principle?
Indeed it would be, if the right to abortion—like minority civil and voting rights—were unambiguously protected by the Constitution. But let's be frank: it isn't. The right to abortion remains a highly debatable proposition, both jurisprudentially and morally. The mere fact that liberals have to devote so much political energy to pretending that the right exists beyond democratic debate proves that it doesn't.
Lots of fundamental rights are protected by legal authorities other than the Constitution. For instance, the right not to be fired by a private employer because of one's race or religion is statutory, not constitutional. The right to abortion is in no way degraded by the fact that state laws may prove the best means of guaranteeing it. That simply reflects the absence of a national consensus about whether the right exists and, if so, what its limits should be.
This is an easy argument for a man to make. But could you be so blithe if you were a woman, and abortion rights were more than an abstraction?
I have no idea what losing my Y chromosome would do to my attitude toward this subject. But the costs of defending Roe have grown too high, and I'm just not willing to pay them anymore.
Do you seriously think that pro-choice liberals could ever come around to your view?
Self-confident liberals already would have. A liberal fear of democratic dialogue may make sense regarding social issues on which the majority is conservative. But it is a special kind of pathology that would rather demand a loyalty oath to a weak and unstable Court decision than make a case before one's fellow citizens on a proposition that already commands majority support. The insistence on judicial protection from a political fight that liberals have every reason to expect to win advertises pointedly how little they still believe in their ability to persuade.
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If overturning RvW forces the
If overturning RvW forces the issue into the states, won't the anti-choice voters start targeting local and state politics? That doesn't sound right to me.
Roe v. Wade
Read the Article: It makes the point that it would force the issue into the legislature where a majority of pro choice voters would likely prevail. It would also rob the repugs of their most potent issue while energizing voters to elect a Liberal Majority. I like it.
Whoa, chill out Tim. I read
Whoa, chill out Tim. I read the article, that's why I posted. I'm from Ohio and our state legislature is no where close to being democratic leaning. I was just saying that from my perspective, we Ohioans might get screwed.
Not now, nor ever should we cower
There is only so much of the article I could stomach, so please forgive me. If we turn our backs on the rights of women, who will ever feel that the liberals will stand for them? Not no, but F*** NO. For me, personally, this is an isuue between a woman and her doctor. The government has no right to interfere with this decision. People need to understand that when we say that liberals will stand up for your rights, it's exactly what we mean. No cowering, which the Democratic party has come to represent since we allowed Clinton to be investigated until they found anything to hang him. This liberal doesn't and won't cower, period. I will always stand for a woman's right to choose no matter how I personally feel about it. I will always stand for the right of every American to be equal. It's giving in that has caused us to be seen as weak. Where were the other Democrats when Boxer stood up to Rice? Every Dem should be nailing her and voting against her nomination. She has partial blame in why our troops are dying, for Christ's sake. If we give in on our fundamental principles, what is there left for us to stand on? Each Democrat needs to possess a Donald Trump attitude. This is part of the reason why our asses keep getting handed to us. At least that's my opinion.
Tim Chambers has an interesting point
I,myself,am a firm believer in abortion rights. However,its very possible Bush
will be able to pack the Supreme Court in such a way as to abolish abortion rights.That will have several effects- possibly young women will become as energized about this issue as women were in the 60's and 70's, and also that states will then establish their own rules about abortion and in all likelihood there will be several states in which it will remain legal to get an abortion. I agree this is not the optimum solution,especially for those who cannot afford to travel, but it will be perhaps the reality we have to deal with.
Please correct me if I am wrong...
As it stands right now, W will probably replace Rehnquist before his term expires, maybe more. As I see it, this means W will replace an old school-con with a neo-con. No harm; no foul. It's when he replaces a lib with a con that Roe v. Wade could possibly become overturned.
Allowing it to become a state's issue would limit the procedure for the poor and minority classes that reside in the states where it is made illegal. It would only be performed for people that reside in a pro-choice state or that had the money to travel to one. I can imagine from the red v. blue maps which states would make it illegal. That's the only positive I can see. But wouldn't the red states then need more of the blue states tax money for the illegitimate children being born into poverty because of their anti-rights stance? Jerry Springer would then have a greater selection of guests to choose for his show.
Let's take that supposition o
Let's take that supposition one step further, to the extreme even. If Dubya could somehow replace ALL of the justices with neocons, they cannot arbitrarily open and review settled cases. There would need to be specific legislation introduced to enact an anti-abortion law, and then it would need to be passed in both houses, and signed into law.
The same arguments the writer of the article used would then apply. Which legislative body would risk alienating their constiuencies by introducing a bill to restrict women's rights? Hell, they can't even muster enough horsepower to enact a "marriage law."
Souter will uphold
I asked the same qustion to a Harvard Lawyer friend of mine. Here is her response exactly:
"I think Souter would uphold Roe v. Wade, but I'm not sure. I'd give it 60-40 odds"
I may be horribly uninfomed,
I may be horribly uninfomed, but I am not aware of any pending legislation, or even proposed legislation, that is directed specifically at overturning RvW.
For now, it is a non-issue -- although I agree that we do waste a lot of energy defending settled Constitutional law.
flawed logic
There is a major flaw in this editorial:
"...if the right to abortion - like minority civil and voting rights - were unambiguously protected by the Constitution. Bet let's be frank: it isn't. The right to abortion remains a highly debatable proposition, both jurisprudentially and morally."
This is wrong. The right is not ambiguous at all. The 14th and 9th ammendments both clearly apply. And since this is settled law that has been affirmed in Roe v Wade AND Planned Parenthood v Casey (I
think that's the case), and the case in 2000 against Nebraska,
it's not debatable.
I wonder how Benjamin would react if the govt enacted a law that people with a heritable genetic defect must undergo forced sterilization and he was ordered to have a vasectomy (or worse)
because he carried such a gene. What would he think of the cost of defending the issue then?
Mary K
I forgot to add -- those of y
I forgot to add -- those of you who think abolishing Roe v Wade would mean the states would then pass laws either allowing or banning abortion, WHO ARE YOU KIDDING? The goal of stacking the SC with anti-abortion judges is to make abortion illegal, period. Pro-lifers want it outlawed in it's entirety. Their position is not a "leave the decision to the states" thing, it is a "life begins at conception and every life must be protected" thing.
Mary K
states rights
My husband told me that originally the constitution was meant to keep states rights more powerful than the federal rights or laws. I can see a day coming when the ability of a state to pass its own laws about something like abortion rights will be neccessary to promote- a somewhat quiet revolution against the( historic) rise of the federal powers. The pro-lifers may want to abolish abortion rights throughout the land but I still believe it would be possible to thwart that.
The Articles of Confederation
The Articles of Confederation had states rights that were more powerful than federal rights, but the constitution was written
expressly because those Articles were a failure. The framers wrote the constitution to establish a strong central government. In fact, some of the framers came to the convention with that as their express purpose, they were called federalists. Washington and Madison were just two of them.
At the time of Roe v. Wade, each state did have separate laws on abortion. Roe v. Wade does not prevent individual states from enacting laws that govern the practice, the states just can't outlaw it.
Mary K
This isn't going to be about state's rights...
It's about putting the issue before the voters as a legislative matter, not a judicial one. There's a huge majority in this country that is for the right to chose. And they will vote for that right if they vote for nothing else, in Blue districts as well as Red. Let the court outlaw it, then put it before the voters and the Congress. Even a conservative court would have a hard time overturning it if legislated. And the battle for choice would give the Democratic Party a chance to flourish once more. Few Republicans would vote against a measure a majority of their constituents want and they would have to give up the one issue that most energizes their base. They would become a minority party once more once this thing is hashed out. That is the author's point.
Federalism and Roe v. Wade
Given that the will of at least half of the electorate is disregarded by Congress, and the media is willing to spin the results of exit polls to meet a specific agenda, do you really think that legislators who are in the pocket of certain interests will heed the actual majority opinion to preserve the legality of abortion versus the vocal minority who want to outlaw it? They may just as likely say... hey your data is wrong... most people are against it....What then?
Roe is based on the right to privacy, which is in the constitution. There is no right to marry or to have children or to sleep with whom you want written into the consitution either... but the right to privacy is interpreted to include such activities as fundamental rights in a number of settled cases.
Look... if the gov't can control a women's personal decisions concerning reproduction and health care, then it is one step closer to forcing people to be lo-jacked with microchips and to have to donate some organs to preserve the life of others.
I wish some movie mogul would re-make Brave New World or make a movie out of the book Atlas Shrugged.
What are you people afraid of
What are you people afraid of? That you can't muster a majority of votes for an issue of such vital importance to you? The fact is that Roe v. Wade has kept us out of power for the last thirty-five years and it will continue to do so until the court overturns it. When and if the court does so, it will rob the troglodytes of their single most persuasive issue for turning out their base. The most likely effect of overturning Roe would be a major realighnment that would send the Republicans back to permanent minority status. So which would you rather have - The abortion issue settled once and for all by legislative action, or continued Conservative dominance of all branches of government due largely to Roe v. Wade.
Afraid? No.
Tired of discussing it, yes.
I really don't think a proposal to put it before the voters is going to fly, here. At least - it doesn't fly with me, but perhaps it is the writing on the wall and we should brace ourselves for it by, again, doing something about the train we're all on that's headed straight for hell.
The democrats had better focus most of their energy on restoring democracy here and stop with the prattle about abortion, saving marriage, the economy, etc., because quite frankly, the republicans hold majority and there's not a whole hell of a lot they can do.
They need to focus on Bush's extremist nominations and they need to focus on reliability in the polls, because without the foundation of democracy being restored, the whole house is going to completely fall down.
Yes, I know - the republicans just love to make reliable elections a lightning rod. Well, the democrats had better get into their think tanks and find an effective way to beat the republicans back, because if they don't, they're going to stay the minority party - and deservedly so.
If our democrats can't protect the Constitution when it comes to the polling place, how in the hell do they expect to protect the rest of it, especially since they ceded so much with their support of Patriot Act?
Fact is, that there have been too many 'coincidences' that have happened since the republicans had eight long years to think about how to 'win' elections again. We've been expected to swallow these 'coincidences,' because we're supposed to believe their is some sort of mythical 'morals' uprising in the US...even though we've got someone in the presidency wearing Abu Ghraib paint.
From the election of 2000, to losses like Cleland's, to California's 'electing' the Governator, to the election of '04 and the fact that exit polling is no longer reliable and Bush's polling is so bad even prior to being sworn in after supposedly 'winning' by around 3M votes nationwide...it's all just too Orweillian for me to accept.
Now you suggest that we turn women's rights over to the voters? Will you be surprised when the unexpected happens? I won't. I don't think it's a good idea to put anything before the voters while our democracy is such a joke. Maybe it's just me...I dunno. I do know one thing: I'm sick of discussing abortion. It's settled law. Condi would call it 'inactionable.'
IMO, there are other issues that should be focused on, first. You should start with the foundation and put the roof on last.
They paved paradise and put up a parking lot.
I second you on that, Necco.
I second you on that, Necco.
Actually Tim, this is a Repub
Actually Tim, this is a Republican issue. If you will read the Democratic platform, it does not mention RvW, nor any move to "protect" it. It is a non-issue for most Democrats. At present, we have nothing to protect it from -- there is no wolf at the door.
People, like the writer of the article, who continually bring this issue to the forefront are the real problem. They give the "pro-lifers" fuel for their non-exsistent fire. When you make it sound like this is a front-burner issue for Democrats, it doesn't help our cause.
Introducing yet another forum topic to this board about abortion is counter-productive to our real battle, and will do nothing but stir up useless debate about a non-issue. Please read:
http://democrats.com/abortion
Roe vs Wade
Bush has promised to fill the courts with his pro-life buddies. Now he appears to have congress terrified of him(except Boxer.) He said he will re-nominate the rejected judges from last term.
So if we give up our right to abortions, what next? As democrats what will we stand for? Do we support tax cuts for the rich? How about invading other countries?
The big argument I heard to defend Kerry(impossible job) was that he was flexable, would change positions as new fact come in. Problem is it wasn't facts, it was polls that made him change with the wind.
Settled Law?
You are kidding? Right to vote used to be settled law.
Settled law
It used to be settled law until people stopped exercising their right to vote. That allowed the Repugs to become the majority party. There would never be enough of them otherwise.
But it's one of the great laws of politics that success begets failure. When you have a monopoly on power you have no excuse not to do the things your base wants done. When that is done the people who oppose it will go home and most likely stay home. And one of those things for the troglodytes is overturning Roe v. Wade.
The other great law of politics is that you can't win elections without an issue that motivates your base. And Democrats don't have that. But we will if the troglodytes overturn Roe v. Wade, by legislating a right to abortion.