Cannabis legalization
Well speaking for the 14 million Obama supporters that helped finance and vote him into office. We who support the legalization of Cannabis do not appreciate being thrown under the bus by Mr. Obama. We don't find anything funny about continueing a Draconian, seventy year old failed policy that arrests 800,000 citizens last year. We will not be ignored or silenced. As 2008 showed we have the money, manpower and votes that will turn an election. If the Democratic Party does not want to include us and OUR topic of interest than try to win without us in 2010 and 2012. If we wished this sort of utter disdain we could have backed McCain. Yes there are a great many other topics that I/we are interested in and willing to support most of the Party platform. But trying to marginalize us will only push us away from the Party. So come 2010 and 2012 I will only support those candidates that are openly pro-legalization of Cannabis. I was a contributing, supportive voting member of the Democratic Party since 1988. But i'll be damned if I am going to continue my support of a party that see's us as light humor. Mr. Obama owes us a public apology and an open dialogue on OUR issues.
Over the last 8 years I have written countless letters to both friend and foe in order to foster honesty and the rule of law in this country. Still all of OUR efforts at Impeachment, stopping the Iraq War and a host of humanitarian topics have been to no avail due to the spineless misleadership of those at the helm of the Democratic Party. In the last 8 years we didn't accomplish anything of note. Well I had hoped for more from my Party. And now we among the Cannabis legalization movement are not welcome under the Democrats Tent. Well best of luck in 2010 but don't come asking for money, support or votes.
In the end we will not win on our own but neither will you. Step up to the plate Mr. Obama and either take us seriously or find some other stooges come 2010.
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And those of us who row the boat will keep rowing...
...as you drop out.
If you ever decide to rejoin the N=50,000,000 piece of shit thing we call consensus, then great.
Jim
P.S. When do I get to drop out?
Jim, you can drop out after
Jim, you can drop out after you have perfected solar-powered flashlights, waterproof soap, and inexpensive time travel.
Vietnam was a lark.
So you're stuck for life Bill.
Sorry.
I know, I know. An
I know, I know. An antagonist's work is never done...;-)
The time machine is built.
It's just been held up in the marketing department.
They're working on what color to paint it.
Tell them to stick to earth
Tell them to stick to earth tones.
Pot used for medicinal purposes is a no-brainer...
recreational use may never fly under the kind of leadership we seem to put into office.
What are our real priorities right now?
Jobs, jobs, jobs, sustainable payrolls, production of wealth by producing useful widgits. Fix our broken economy.
Single-payer national healthcare for everyone.
Cap high interest rates.
And lots more. Goes without saying anything further, that medicinal use of pot must be approved...pot, needs to be in the pharmacopia for Doctors to prescribe as necessary.
For those of you who fought so rabidly for Obama on the strength of his statement that he wanted to examine the issue(no promise in that)took that as a promise of legalization.
Further, many of the 'potheads' are among the group who have passed the laws where smoking cigs is illegal in so many public venues. Where would you be able to smoke pot? Sort of cut your own legs off at the knees haven't you?
Before you foam at the mouth in rage, consider that the loss of over 600,000 jobs a month is an epidemic that we have not experienced since The Great Depression. Ultimately, if this problem is not solved, and solved quickly, what is coming will destroy all of us.
Get your priorities in order and quit acting like a spoiled child who can't get their way.
A mind once expanded can never return to its original dimensions.
Anne Hathaway: 1556-1623
The greatest derangement of the mind is to believe in something because one wishes it to be so.
What do you think Bill, another one-shot fly by night...
making the rounds of all the sites they can get access to?
A mind once expanded can never return to its original dimensions.
Anne Hathaway: 1556-1623
The greatest derangement of the mind is to believe in something because one wishes it to be so.
Looks that way to me Grinch.
Looks that way to me Grinch.
Don't bet the house on it grinch!
October 20th 2009, the Justice Department will cease raiding Medicinal Marijuana centers of Distribution, provided they follow state law.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
TOLD YA!
Who's blowing smoke up your butts now?
At least it's healthy smoke and not dangerous drugs like Tobacco with over 4,000 carcinogens including rat poison or alcohol, that pickels your vital organs until they become bloody masses of blob.
Get real and educate yourself on the subject and don't be afraid to apologize when the cures long denied, are done in the 21st century of the "JUST DO IT" Generation.
Just don't be so goldanged surprised.
14 down and 37 more to go.
mommapanther
That's a myth that potheads supported banning cigarettes
That myth was created by right wing talkradio, based on the fact that most places that ban cigarettes tend to be mostly Democratic.
But there were no pot users involved in that. Pot using Democrats are not as stupid as the mainstream Democrats, who usually put Party Loyalty above truth. (Just like mainstream Republicans).
Pot-using Democrats realize that "a woman has a right to CHOOSE (to smoke a joint, or anything else she desires in regards to her body)". People who limit "choice" to one singular issue are hypocrites. They only care about THEIR rights, but not others.
And as far as creation of jobs and creation of National Health Care goes... both those things would come a lot faster, WAY faster, if marijuana were legalized. There'd suddenly be trillions of dollars available that used to be spent fighting marijuana. On top of that there'd be billions of dollars extra from taxing the marijuana.
The laws against marijuana destroy lives, just like the men and women who support the laws against marijuana.
Destination: Actually, the Nicotine Nazis...
if one takes the time to go to several dem sites to find out...are primarily from the far left of our party. They are the Kucinich backers and are violently opposed to cigarette smoking.
The majority of these folks want their drug of choice but only at the expense of those who choose another.
In any case, with all the prohibitions against cig smoking in so many places around the country, there will be no place for pot smokers. Present day pot smokers are not going to be safe in schools or workplaces or on the roads. But, they will certainly be there.
Medical use needs to be legalized. A drug for medical relief is just simply part of the prescription med package.
In the event you disagree about my views on pot, go visit major dem sites and watch the actions of the nicotine nazis as they pursue cigarette smoking...find out who they are and who they back.
A mind once expanded can never return to its original dimensions.
Anne Hathaway: 1556-1623
The greatest derangement of the mind is to believe in something because one wishes it to be so.
Grinch, I thought pot was
Grinch, I thought pot was supposed to help people "mellow out."
All I've seen from the die-hard "recreational use" legalization advocates on this thread so far, is raw anger, threats, and personal attacks. Maybe they need to adjust their dosage, or stop lacing their joints with crank...
LOL Bill...
being mellow is the same as being spaced out in normal misuse of this drug. Hemp would not be a bad crop...we could make rope(as we used to)for the sailing ships we need to build when we pull useless engines out of present-day ships.
Insofar as the taxes(counting chickens before they are hatched)go, one has to consider that home-grown pot will continue to be a major crop...thus the growers become the new population of moonshine runners and/or mobsters.
Legalizing recreational MJ would have some benefits to go along with an equal number of problems. Abuse of the drug will continue and probably increase.
Used to work with a number of skilled machinists who smoked on the job(pot). They were quite dangerous to be around. On the road use would be as bad a problem as the current misuse of beer, wine and spirits.
This is not a major problem when stacked up against widespread unemployment, health care and the like.
Again,medical use should be legalized as it has been in several states now. Recreational use, well it can wait until we get some of the more serious problems handled.
I wonder if some of these pro-pot posters are on meth when they post?
A mind once expanded can never return to its original dimensions.
Anne Hathaway: 1556-1623
The greatest derangement of the mind is to believe in something because one wishes it to be so.
Former pot smoker supports legalization !
I unlike many others who used drugs in their younger years and then quit and now walk around acting like some big anti drug use supporters, I believe in a persons (adult person) right to chose what substance they use. Since you can go down to the corner market and buy a gallon of vodka I find it so ridiculous that pot a so much less harmfull drug being illegal. The idea of anyone serving even one day in jail for anything to do with this harmless weed a joke on our justice system ! It shows just how corrupt the system has become ,more prisoners means more money for the prison system a money making bis in itself ! In the early years of our young country people would be marching in the streets over this kind of injustice ! However it seems people have become much to involved in their own lives to care about injustices being thrown upon others ! Far into the future our drug laws will be looked at with much distain ! Get with the program America ! Legalize and tax all drugs with maybe a couple of exceptions ,crank is one that comes to mind !
IMHO ,Nick
Jim, are there any numbers out there...
that would show the possibility of recreational pot use causing the increasing numbers of high school drop outs? The drop out rates are steadily increasing for this underage group.
Early America did NOT have a problem with the drugs as Earlybird has claimed. There were no prescription drugs in those days and no laws to their use. Opium in it's varied forms was freely available wherever medicines(patent or otherwise)were available. Hash oil was used for toothache and other aches and pains. There were others. Medical care at the turn of the last century was still operating at about the Civil War era level.
People, for the most part, treated themselves--rarely with purchased drugs since they relied heavily upon home remedies.
At this time however, there are so many really important problems that need action: jobs and the economy, healthcare, credit card interest rates and the loanshark-like fees that have been tacked on, and much more. Pot, except for medicinal pot use, needs must take a back seat for the immediate future.
Penalties for recreational use can easily be reduced, perhaps to just community service for a short period rather than long prison/jail terms. Most people are for that or seem to be.
I personally, am very concerned by the rapidly-rising drop out rate in the nation's schools, as well as, the more rapid dumbing down of our electorate. I believe that pot use has contributed to this disaster in the making.
A mind once expanded can never return to its original dimensions.
Anne Hathaway: 1556-1623
The greatest derangement of the mind is to believe in something because one wishes it to be so.
Grinch, this entire thread
Grinch, this entire thread centers around the Libertarian premise of a "victimless crime," and the freedom to do with one's own body and life as one chooses. If it were only as simple, and as cut and dried, as they believe it to be. Our Constitution guarantees American citizens certain basic rights and freedoms. Constitutionally legislated laws are societal exceptions to those rights and freedoms.
The constant comparison of prohibited drugs to alcohol as being "legal" is misleading, at best. Alcohol is in actuality a tightly regulated substance, but is still widely abused. This comparison is probably the best example that anyone could use AGAINST legalization. The regulation, and restriction, of mind-altering drugs is not just a USA phenomenon, but is a worldwide regulatory practice with very few exceptions.
What these Libertarians fail to acknowledge, is that we live in a Democratic society, and our laws are established by majority rule. When the legalized-pot advocates can manage to convince 51% of their fellow citizens that the recreational use of marijuana is a "good thing" for ALL US citizens, then they will have no problems in passing new laws.
Our society, in general, has no problem with the medicinal use of marijuana, and would most likely support a general relaxation of the harsher penalties for its possession and personal use. Legalization advocates would do well, however, to take a lesson from the Gay Marriage movement for a blueprint on the long process necessary to change Middle American mindsets.
Their current approach to bringing about the full legalization of pot by being demanding, obnoxious, and otherwise exhibiting anti-social ("it's all about me") behavior, is self-defeating. Their claims of a sudden influx of financial prosperity for our country ring hollow in the absence of a practical plan for the production, distribution, and regulation of what is, currently, a worldwide illegal operation.
Bill: "It's all about me." ...
describes almost perfectly, the past two generations who have risen to adulthood.
What we ultimately do with them is yet to be decided. Very few of them live in the middle strata of our society. The bulk of these generations occupy the top and the bottom of our culture--both economically and educationally.
Mention has been made that pot is 'sort of legal' in the Netherlands. Actually, it is illegal. The Dutch, however, are probably the most pragmatic nation on Earth. Because use will always be with them, they allow it. It is controlled at specific places. They learned from our efforts during prohibition that to attempt to eliminate some vices, that those attempts usually fail and become laws of unintended consequences.
Actually, the two of us concur for the most part. I am the one having some problems with the "It's all about me" folks. Demanding children determined to get their way no matter what.
A mind once expanded can never return to its original dimensions.
Anne Hathaway: 1556-1623
The greatest derangement of the mind is to believe in something because one wishes it to be so.
Regardless of the cause du
Regardless of the cause du jour, zealots are almost indistinguishable from each other in their methods.
For a site that didn't get on the train until 9 mos later....
For a site of so called Progressive who rely on voters, it certainly does no good to taunt others who are effected by the unjust laws. Maybe 2010 would be a good time to teach you "grassroots" and replace the Dems with independents like Nader, and no it's not a threat, but actually a well thought out plan since 2006 ie "Nader bomb" If Obama would not have won the primary, you can coo believe, 37% of pissed off Dems from the yellow belly Democratic party would have gone for BARR.
Try us, you might not like it so hot.
Our money, our future, our tax increases, our rules!
When you are in your cold little grave, who but us will still be bailing this ship out, from the incompetence of the last 30 years.
Mind your manners please and don't play yourselves out. Party doesn't matter, legislation does!
Dig?
Go ahead and play the game of insults, and get played thinking you have the seats in 2010.
Ha! We backed your bs, now you must support ours. Deal or no deal?
Legalize or incarceration. See what the baby boom years look like in a decade.We will have the majority then, and watch your crusty old arses then.
Who do you think will be wiping the crust of your mouths in those nursing homes, certainly not your family members, why they wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole.
What about that doody in your diaper after a stroke, think how long and stinky you would be in that diaper, for what a week. Get with the program Gramps, it's over!
NO more unjust incarcerations no matter how much you "try to joke" about it or ignore. Only a few more decades and your arses are toast. Who you gonna call. Hope you have private duty nurse of sixty, cause everybody else is on the same page in OUR majority from all parties.
Care to bet on it, I like money.
mommapanther
More insults, froim the legal chemical lab generation
with more chemicals in their products, than vitamins.
You can't fool us, we are "EDUMAKATED) lol
I myself have four degrees and could very well have built your house before 4:20pm.
The Green future will include legalized MJ, and we aren't talking Michael Jackson.
Get a life and get out from under OUR covers and out our bedroom and "refrigerator"
How we turn ourselves on in the land of greed, is certainly "none" of your business. We gotta get it up without viagra, we don't have insurance, can't afford it and they deny you even when you have it.
Duh!
mommapanther
After 70 yrs of prohibition, and no retribution for
harming our incomes, family members with massive sentencing and destroying any hope of them re-entering the job force, how proud are you guys.
If it wasn't for pot, the coke, meth, and heroine addicts would have rose up and kicked some government official butt in the booth. It's a great way to ween off hard stuff that has become addictive. I personally know two crackhead in-laws from a previous marriage, that got off, and Just smoke pot. They can't even handle alcohol, some are geneticly defective on how they handle the "sauce"
But as I said: "NO DEATHS ATTRIBUTED TO MARAJUANA"
It's cultural as snuff chewing, but they don't lock up the oral cancer candidate, in fact it's looked up to, in baseball. Stop playing guys, you don't make any sense. Besides, how WE the younger people pay off your debt from you generation, should be OUR choice, eh?
Get off your high horse, and stop using sarcasm, when people's lives and chances to work are at stake. You complain about the deadbeat non violent offender and child support, this is the repeated reason, why they are deadbeats, they are incarcerated leaving the grandparents to take care of their young.
Get off our dyk!
If that sounds a little outrageous, oh well, you are content in your world, while we are just starting ours. Some of us in our fifties need pot now for arthritis, gotta a cure for it.
Duh!
Reasoning is the best way, but you guys are unreasonable, as long as you can have that martini or happy hour after work. Not to mention fuel exhaust, factory exhaust, and cigarettes in the places of dancing. Now you even want guns in parks and bars. Make some sense, OUR President lives in a "NATIONAL PARK" Maybe you should smoke some to realize, that that is just plain "stoop it"
mommapanther
So right, the greatest derangement is thinking some bs like this
I changed my mind, what the use in talking to the "STATUS QUO DEMS OF PUMA AND HILBOTS. GETTING ALL THEY WANTED, AND LEAVING US THE SHAFT AND CALLING NAMES.
It may not be important to you snooty snots, but the people suffering from this legislative political blunder, don't think it's funny in the least.
So get your snicker on, he who laughs first, laughs longest.
Ha ha ha ha ha!
mommapanther
Excuse US
You nicotine nazi's for profit and shares, have denied us our rights hypocriticly while capitalizing on the destruction of the patients bodies and automobile accidents by selling insurance to those people and denying them as if you never knew they smoked or drank while under coverage.
Sclerosis, MS, brain cell injury, chronic toxic alcohol poisoning?
Give me a break. We even have to be "stereotyped and stigmatized" as:
Pot heads?Eh
Hippies, eh?
for how long. 70, 80, 100 years of "freedom"?
Right.
Death sells eh?
Hypocrits aren't partician, just hiding under the "big tent of inclusiveness"
Ha!
mommapanther
After 70 years of poor legislation on prohibition of an herb
I seriously doubt if any of the incarcerated doing max time are children. They are being locked up not for harming the public, but toking a herbal cigarette, that the Government has used to incarcerate minorities in mass number on.
Childish? I doubt that Grinch.
I haven't been able to have a dental check up since 1992. God knows what is going on in my mouth, let alone what is going on in a sexually active teen's mouth. Yet with cigarettes pushing 150 years, pot is still off the table to stop the mass incarcerational charges on the taxpayer. If we stopped this bs, we could easily pay for healthcare with pot taxes. And the stoopid Rethugs, would have nothing to say about it as, it's not coming out of their pockets.
Think before you speak on childishness, when you think about the millions of felons who won't be able to find work, because of our privacy being invaded with urines on pot, it really does make sense.
To date, there have been NO pot deaths, just an abundance of munchies, which promotes spending, which moves our economy. Who els but someone with the munchies, would eat the salt, sugar and fat on today's shelves.
Do some research on the "deaths" then get back to me please.
These are educated professionals who have proven there is only one chemical in Pot (THC) that is forbidden on the FDA. Yet the same chemical THC reduces tumors by 50% shrinking them.
They don't tell you that from the war on pot, do they.
Doctors know what's harmful and if we are gonna have to trust them, then I say:
LEGALIZE IT
TAX IT
MOVE ON FOR GOD'S SAKE, HE SAID TO PARTAKE OF THE BITTER HERBS, EVER TASTE POT, VERY BITTER.
mommapanther
DYK Do You Know Time people, facts from the AMA
Did you know it would take 900 joints an hour for a person to OD off pot.
Hmmmmm/
Only takes a few shots to run off the road.
Hmmmmmm.
Twenty years of tobacco (or less) since they tobacco companies have been adding more addictive additives and poisons to it can and WILL cause cancer.
Marijuana has been proven to shrink tumors by 50%, and cure anorexia.
Our movie stars stuck on "skinny works" need to eat. Bags of bones no dog would want.
NOT ONE DEATH IN THE TIME IT HAS BEEN MONITORED.
It's been here longer than U or I.
Natural herbs. It's in the Bible under "bitter herbs of the earth" that WE may eat. You hypocrits won't even allow that.
Good thing the Justice Department "frowns" on discriminatory practices and has compassion for the sick.
They have a list of the ailments that will make pot smoking legal for those who need it. I happen to be one and so does my husband with five deteriorating lower back disc, and I with GERD, IBS, Diverticulitis, Tumors, Anxiety of having my vote disenfranchised, which I feel I should have kicked someone's butt over in 2000, look at the damage Bush did.
When I go through constant pain in my lower abdomen and intestines and can't afford the meds or co-payments to keep preventative cancer screenings or heal my esophogus from excess acid production due to stress. High blood pressure just started in 2000 also. I need a chill sometimes to keep me from knocking someone F'ing with my family or me. High Utilities robbing the food out of my mouth.
Go brainwash on the "reifer madness" movie to your "kids" WE adults know the truth and need relief.
Thank God for Our Compassionate President and Justice Department.
mommapanther
Attention, non medicinal pot smoker supporters in the Democratic
Non medicinal pot smoker supporters in the Democratic, Republican parties that have held non pharmaceutical cures for two centuries and caused a pill popping society that produces the "Rush Limbotts" of the country.
We have put up with your drunken, legal carcinogenic behavior and only one time did you even consider our pain while "serving the American People?"
We have paid our taxes faithfully allowed you to violate our constitutional right to be healthy and free of poisonous substances in our food, home structures and leisure time.
We have passed the laws through the justice department during this "economic depression recession recovery, to allow the people who "NEED" MJ to survive, that they may. It is not wise to spend "Our pot smoking voters taxes" to poison us, make US bail out corporations, and ignore the representation to be free in choosing our own medication without dangerous side effects. Our families will not be denied the right medications for the relief of our ailments.
This same crowd said "migrains" were a figment of women's imaginations.
We have been denied because of pre-existing conditions and the street community pharmacist" was all we had available. I want to support my country, but when has my country supported me or my generations before me?
Never. The industrial prison cradle to grave system must be stooped. You'll get no more free labor off our young without paying them, you crooks.
Using an herb that causes no harm to scapegoat minorities who have grown up with it and led productive lives. In fact "people love a pot head,they do no harm, just giggle their arse off and eat.
Some of us need an appetite increase drug, because "stress" can kill you.
heart attack, stoke, hypertension, depression, adhd, alzheimers.
mommapanther
POTHEAD DROPS OUTS CAN ALSO COMMENT HERE:
http://www.democrats.com/node/19252#comment-87329
NON POTHEAD, NON DROPOUT, LEGALIZATION SUPPORTERS CAN COMMENT...
...BOTH ON THIS THREAD AND HERE http://www.democrats.com/node/19252#comment-87329
My, my -- what a passionate
My, my -- what a passionate diatribe. I am sorry to tell you, however, that smoking pot for recreational (non-medicinal) purposes is not "high" on many real Democrats' lists at present. It just doesn't make the top ten, or even the top 50, nationwide. People want jobs (and job security), better health care, reduced interest rates, better education, and our Constitutional Rights restored. And no, that does not include the "right" to smoke pot just for "fun." Localized social norms and behavior are normally decided by Cities, Counties, and States (you know, driver's licenses, gun laws, alcohol use, etc.).
Why is smoking pot for recreational use not that important at the national level, you may ask? Because, after three decades of Republican influence and "guidance," the world's economy has melted down, we inherited two obscene wars in the Middle East, and our country needs us to be clear-headed, and realistic. President Obama was asked if "legalizing pot" would help to improve the immediate economy, and his answer was an intelligent "no." The majority of Americans seem to agree, but would like to see the de-crimialization of its use, especially for medicinal purposes. President Obama is headed in that direction.
So, please go sit on your pitty-potty somewhere else, and smoke 'em if you got 'em. The rest of us have work to do.
P.S. Who in the hell gave you the right to speak for "14 million Obama supporters?"
Courts across America are
Courts across America are swamped with victimless crimes cases, while REAL civil cases get delayed and REAL criminals walk free, due to not enough police to look for them.
Oh but it's not "Democratic priority" to solve that? When solving it would only take a single piece of legislation?
If Democrats cannot end the Drug War (and the Drug War's priority of marijuana) then what do we need Democrats for? We cannot have Health Care and Jobs, if we are throwing trillions of dollars and manpower down the toilet on a dirty drug war, and any other corrupt folly that is out there.
Stop drinking orange juice. You will not be prosecuted AND...
...you'll have time to work on the fundamentals which brought us the criminalization of orange juice, the Iraq War, a massively top heavy economy, etc.
Sure, most would agree that the criminalization of orange juice is insane, but so the f what?
It's called life.
And there is no Democratic Party "out there" for one to cheer or jeer. There is only a shitty N=50,000,000 thing we call grass root's consensus.
If one is feeling unsatisfied with that consensus then it might be helpful to think of just how closely one has convinced a much smaller collective: say one's wife, roommate, family, etc. It ain't easy getting humans to agree.
Threatening to drop out over pot helps nobody.
Jim
That's why we didn't drop out, just stepped up
I love it when a plan comes together.
A+ TEAM 2009
mommapanther
Don't care how "high" on the Status Quo's list
We voted too. Common Sense and every other developed country doesn't incarcerate non-dangerous "herbs" or drugs.
Here's what US educated non-brainwashed by gramps "reifer madness" fear tactics, have learned in over 60 years by doctors.
http://connect.ucdenve.edu/p89594111 that's if your tired of not getting the truth.
NORML.org
It's an hour long on evidence, but if you don't want to hear from Vets under MS, or cancer patients and others, you can stop it after the doctors talk.
National Organization of Reform Marajuana Laws and LEAP Law Enforcement Against Prohibition have TONS of info on the subject also. AMA and others found there is a conspiracy of diliberately even stopping test to keep this valuable possible "CANCER CURE REVERSER" from the populace for profit to the pharmaceutical corporations.
Need more:
Lawmedia.lclark.edu/lawMedia/viewer/?paid=ec9 shit, sorry. I used felt tip pen and the letters for the next two in the address is unintelligible. It's on the NORML site any way the lectures and such.
14 states so far and counting. Common Sense, not ideaological bias!
Scientific proof, not finatic brainwashed drivel!
PTTP!
YOU BETCHA! IT'S NOT PARTICIAN STUPID!
mommapanther
why are we arguing
Why in GOD'S name are we arguing amongst ourselves? This is the time we have to become united and stay united. We have diffrent opinions yes, but the goal is the same is it not? WE are the citizens of the United States not citizens of the divided states. As one voice we can reach our goals. Stop tearing at eachother and fight the real enemy of ignorance. If they see we are fighting amongst ouselves , then basically they have done their jobs by making us lose focus. If we stay true to our goal and stay focused then how can they win? I sit here in the darkness of my apartment and watch another round of snow wash the dirt of the streets, and can't help wonder why when there is something so serious as what this is, we seem to divide.. Knowledge is power!
Shine, no I do not believe
Shine, no I do not believe that the primary goals of Middle American, Liberal Democrats, include a priority for the promotion of "recreational" marijuana use. The country is not yet ready for such a major departure from decades of prohibition, even though it would most likely reduce crime rates (as with the "other" Prohibition repeal). Smoking anything, including legal tobacco, is extremely unpopular nationwide at the present time.
Medical use? Definitely! De-criminalization? Yes! And President Obama and his Attorney General have already moved in those directions. It is now up to the combined Congress to decide if the majority of their constituents (and not just a few users) want to "legalize" pot for recreational use. That is the way laws are made, and changed.
P.S. If you will notice, at the bottom of each comment pane, there is a "reply" button. When you post responses at the top of each thread, it is difficult to tell who you are responding to.
There are progressive stereotyped disrespected "pot heads" also
And WE are gooooood at what WE do on the job and otherwise.
We are not caught up in some fantasy gateway lie of the "reifer madness" crowd and WE who have to look over our shoulders and aren't so bold as to admit the usage online, put a PRESIDENT IN OFFICE because of OUR NUMBER IN ALL the parties nationwide and Internationally.
So be careful how you disrespect the power of the "pot head" If we are so zonked out of our skulls while smoking, how come you have to test our urine to find out when someone "snitches" on the job for OUR positions.
Signed
GET OUT OF MY PISS!
mommapanther
Shine, we are, at least most of us here, Democrats...
that has never meant that we march in lockstep as do the Repugnants. We have all these one-issue splinter groups who stray constantly from what we as a group have always stood for.
Argument and debate are the tools in a civilized society by which progress is made.
If there is no give and take, how does one arrive at any sort of concensus?
Dems do not stay focused for long on any particular goal...as evidenced by the one-stop shopper above.
I don't believe that any regular here has argued with your concern for the legalization of medicinal marijuana. We have mostly agreed.
The Feds just raided one of the medical pot clinics in San Francisco...cleaned the place out by force. Here in Oregon, we have legalized pot for those who need it medically. We also have assisted suicide laws. Pretty progressive ideas. There have been those from other states who have come to Oregon to upset both those laws and they have repeatedly failed. Both of those laws were put in place by citizen initiatives...written by the people and voted in, not once but several times as various groups tried to eliminate both.
So, expect debate, sometimes hotly contested topics here and on other Dem sites.
A mind once expanded can never return to its original dimensions.
Anne Hathaway: 1556-1623
The greatest derangement of the mind is to believe in something because one wishes it to be so.
Maybe that's the reason for "one stop shoppers" Bigots.
Discriminatory hypocritical bigots, that look down on others, while drunkenly toasting on champayne, chardinay, vodka martini's and won't take transportation to get home, because you drive a volvo or mercedes.
BS isn't limited to the "Red Sites" Grinch.
Kum ba Ya this Ya'll
10/20/09
Justice Department has given states that have Medicinal Marijuana Centers or grow it for medicinal purpose will NOT be prosecuted.
Now leave us POT HEADS alone in peace. See you at the polls while we knock doors. Pot heads have a better people disposition, than fire brand non-compromising Status Quo hypocrits for votes.
mommapanther
Marijuana uproar:second crack in desire for prosecution of Bush.
We are not arguing about the legalization of Marijuana.
I'm a Democrat and I'm happy to help move the above forward. The later less so if it means endangering far more important matters.
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We are arguing with folks who threaten to drop their support of my kid's future when they don't get immediate gratification. There is a term for that: DROPOUTS.
The originator of this thread FAILED, as did I, to create a political climate capable of advancing a laundry list of progressive goals. That does not give anyone the right to dropout.
With 300,000,000 of us in this Nation, we can only expect moderate gains each election cycle no matter how hard we push. (Many of us push so hard we end up with various diseases).
To expect more from a near 50/50 Nation is simply to invite the next President to overturn all the previous gains in reactionary fashion.
I agree with your hope. Whenever the originator of this thread becomes interested again in moving this, and other issues forward, rather than dropping out, there will be no argument.
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I hesitated from using the opening title to this post in the other thread. (The economy was the first crack).
Now I'll say this: Pot is trumping Bush prosecution and that bodes ill for our Nation.
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On a personal note, I think it is sick that you don't have easy, inexpensive access to safe and effective pain relief. I understand it must be difficult seeing this topic debated when it is so personal to you.
My best,
Jim
I like my President, love it when they eat "crow"
Progressive "pot head power" Yeahhhhhhh!
We move legislation quicker than you. Need help, get off my back!
Ha!
mommapanther
14 Million
Republicans back legalization, Independents support legalization,Green Party supports legalization. Now you want healthcare? Keep insulting while I make some calls, to the other side. Hell if you can take Joe Sleezyman, then I guess you can deal with people who want a change in "pot policy" Ron Paul supports legalization and getting the "hell out of the middle east. Otherwise, look for your voters up the gazoo in 2010, or 2012, we will stack with independents that listen like Nader.
Enough! Party doesn't matter anymore, just common sense. We will change these damnable laws against the non-violent offenders serving time and spending tax dollars, with your or without you. Dig?
If you don't know watch the video.
I am a progressive moderate, straight down the middle and by the mutha-phukin book on the Constitution. These are my rights. To screw "who" I want to screw w/marriage
To worship whom I please, To smoke what the hell I want to smoke. If green leaves from the trees got you high or stopped pain, would you lock up the leaf smokers too? Oops you already do. Anybody that doesn't like ulcers from alcohol or violent outburst in public or otherwise, is a pot head or drug addict.
Give us a break. Tell that bedtime story to some e-tards on the far left.
mommapanther
the problem with legalization
I'm a recreational marijuana user and I agree with its legalization. The problem is that while marijuana may not be a dangerous substance in and of itself, there are still people that would make it a dangerous substance. I was on the bus the other day and overheard a teenager talking about how he likes to give his baby a "contact high." I've heard of other people voluntarily giving marijuana to their young kids, so they can "find out what it's like." If you're so angry about marijuana's continued criminilization, blame these people that abuse marijuana instead of using it intelligently and stop blaming Obama for making the correct call.
How Childish
The logic you use above could apply to ANYTHING. TV is legal, but you have stupid TV viewers.
Beer is legal, but you have stupid beer drinkers.
Cars are legal, but you have stupid drivers.
Porn is legal, but you have stupid porn addicts.
Soccer is legal, but you have stupid soccer players.
The list can go on and on forever.
As a group of people, marijuana users as a whole, are no less responsibly acting than any other group of people.
Just because one idiot on a bus misuses it, is no reason to incorporate that into an argument against it. Everything you said, is obvious, with no point, and goes without saying.
And if we are to look at things relatively... then marijuana is a hell of a lot relatively safer than: beer, TV sitcoms, cigarettes, football, and Church
Who is being "Childish"?
The poster notes he uses.
He then gives his opinion that it should be legalized.
He then offers that, like most issues, there are two sides.
He concludes that anger can not be focused BECAUSE of those two sides.
This is reasonable discourse: One notes both sides and then comes down, on BALANCE, on one.
You are absolutely incorrect that it "goes without saying". The legalization of Pot will cause massive harm. Simply massively less, in many people's opinion, than the criminalization of it.
It is a niche in politics too long left void: That is, noting ALL sides before arguing for a given one. It should be applauded.
Jim
I generally agree, but specifically disagree
I agree it would and should be fair to acknowledge pot's massive harm if legal as opposed to the even massiver harm from being illegal.
But I've been to The Netherlands where it is treated as mostly legal, and there is no massive harm. Nothing even close to the scale of the harm of the Drug War in America. I've also read up on pot's dangers, its effects on society, etc. As well as the dangers of the laws against it.
That doesn't mean there's a downside to legalization. Of course there is, as there's a downside to everything. And you'd be right to call it massive, it it were massive.
But it's really just a drop in the bucket compared to all the time, money, energy, suffering, and killed innocents caused by the effects of the Laws against Marijuana.
We might disagree on the definition of "massive" maybe. I agree with everything else you said.
These same jerks give their kids "beer" to make a man of em bs
Responsible smokers (full adults over 25 and up) don't give the kids pot, as it is still detectable after 30 days and you never know if your child will get sick and need a trip to the hospital for test.
Why screw it up with Stupid actions. Besides that arzhole, probably does that also and drives while intoxicated just to see what it feel like.
mommapanther
betterblade...
I haven't posted here for a long, long time, but I've been following this site for quite a while.
I am extremely sympathetic to your goal. I first got involved in the legalization movement in 1967, and have at one time or another belonged to any and every organization that I thought might bring about some sort of change.
Having said that, I have to agree with Jim and Bill. Right now there are issues that threaten our economy, our physical national security, our future, and the future existence of this country. Compared to that, legalizing the smoking of a joint once in a while just seems to carry very little national importance.
In most places of the country now, simple possession of an ounce or less generally carries a fine and a suspended sentence, usually unsupervised. In most parts of this country, if quietly smoking a joint in the privacy of your own home is all your doing, you probably never, ever have to worry about getting arrested anyway.
You're not alone on this issue, but let's get a handle on the things that threaten our existance as a nation first, then worry about what we smoke.
Happy dreams.
Terry
Hey Terry, good to see you
Hey Terry, good to see you back on the boards!
The failure to legalize recreational pot...
may be a very good thing for the country. The Nicotine Nazis have already just about eliminated any area for smoking(draconian laws in some states/cities)cigarettes and related items.
Pot would be smoking...therefore, where would you smoke it? Some state parks are off limits. Bars in most states are off limits; you cannot smoke in the presence of minor children; you cannot smoke anywhere in public in other cities/towns. Don't even try to smoke pot in the vicinity of a school, church, or porn shop.
Med pot? Absolutely legalize it in all 50 states(49 if Texas secedes).
Oh, you can bake cookies you say? Not in a home oven in a house where minor children reside.
Oh yeah, and if it does become legalized, then you will have to pay your share of medical care for kids as tobacco users are doing right now.
Something about a 'petard' comes to mind.
A mind once expanded can never return to its original dimensions.
Anne Hathaway: 1556-1623
The greatest derangement of the mind is to believe in something because one wishes it to be so.