U.S. says Iraqis may still be held without charge
This might be the smoking gun that we need to force congress and Obama to investigate the bush administration. Professor Jonathan Turley thinks we need to draw the line here, now.
BAGHDAD - By Peter Graff and Ahmed Rasheed
Some prisoners held indefinitely without charge by U.S. forces in Iraq may not be freed or given trials, even though U.S. forces lost the authority to hold them at the beginning of this year, a U.S. military spokesman said.
Iraqi legal experts said the plans -- which would apply to prisoners U.S. forces believe are dangerous or of intelligence value but have not been charged with a crime -- might violate Iraqi law by placing detainees beyond the reach of the courts.
U.S. forces are holding 15,000 prisoners, most of whom have been detained without charge under the authority of a U.N. Security Council resolution which expired on December 31.
Under the terms of a bilateral pact which took effect on January 1, Washington agreed that all its prisoners would either be transferred to Iraqi custody under arrest warrants from Iraqi judges, or freed "in a safe and orderly manner."
The agreement does not mention any mechanism for continuing to hold prisoners without charge, and Iraqi legal experts say there is no such provision under Iraqi law.
But U.S. military spokesman Major Neal Fisher said Washington will ask Iraq not to free some prisoners, even if they cannot be charged with crimes.
"There will be cases in which a detainee falls into the category of high intelligence value or is a high threat but has not violated an Iraqi law, and thus should be released based on the security agreement," he said in an e-mail.
"We would like for the government of Iraq to continue to hold these 'radical extremists' and 'enduring threats,'" he said. "We seriously desire that they will choose to keep these particular detainees off the streets."


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You know Di, I can't help but compare the treatment of these...
prisoners with the much more humane treatment of the Italian prisoners of war during WWII. Out in the small town(then)of Covina, CA, the Italian pows were used in the orange orchards and packing houses of that then rural area. They were able to speak to the general population, visited local businesses, and in some cases after the war stayed and married into the community. There was a loosely guarded camp out of which they worked. They were well treated and well fed.
We will probably never understand the reasoning behind this incarceration of foreign forces for such an extended period. Most of these prisoners are probably illiterate, would love to just go home, and forget the past. What we will pay in the future for doing this to many of these people is an unknown...but it will be expensive.
A mind once expanded can never return to its original dimensions.
Anne Hathaway: 1556-1623
The greatest derangement of the mind is to believe in something because one wishes it to be so.
WOW, grinch that story tells
WOW, grinch that story tells it all we were once a kind and reasonable nation, not weak, kind and look what we have become.
"To be a patriot is to have a lovers quarrel with your country ~ William Sloane Coffin
Arrogance and egotism
The Bush administration has a long history of ignoring any law, treaty or agreement they don't like or just don't want to follow. Bush has made numerous executive orders and presidential decrees that are intended to "hold harmless" anyone that breaks these laws at his descression. Since "uncurious George" is highly unlikely to feel compelled to travel anywhere outside the U.S. and since he will keep his secret service protection for life I doubt he will ever be prosecuted for any crime. Some of his advisors and other henchmen may not find themselves so lucky.
Cloud, dunno about the Shrub...
he does have that huge Estancia in Paraguay to escape the claws of US justice in the event we go after him. Anyone know if Paraguay is exempt from the International Court?
A mind once expanded can never return to its original dimensions.
Anne Hathaway: 1556-1623
The greatest derangement of the mind is to believe in something because one wishes it to be so.
Safe Haven
Hi Greenie, it's been awhile since we chatted.
As I understand it, Paraguay is a long standing safe haven for all kinds of political outlaws. There were lots of NAZI fugatives hiding down there after the war. Since then there have been deposed dictators and military deserters in that country. I don't think Paraguay has expidition treaties with anyone.
With the Bush money and power, the Paraguayean government would protect them for as long as needed.
Cloud, With the money that the Bush family has made...
Carlysle Group and the rest of the Bush cabal,from this war and his presidency, they can easily afford a private army(common down there)to protect them from anything short of a Delta Force strike...and maybe...even from that.
If he is forced to, Bush could scamper down there and be safe for the rest of his life.
A mind once expanded can never return to its original dimensions.
Anne Hathaway: 1556-1623
The greatest derangement of the mind is to believe in something because one wishes it to be so.