By Dave Lindorff
The teacup tempest over retired Gen. Wesley Clark’s self-evident
remark about John McCain—to whit that flying a fighter aircraft and
getting shot down and captured is not particularly relevant to the
skill set needed to be a president—raises a larger question: Why do
veterans, and particularly the veterans of the criminal and pointless
war in Iraq, or the earlier criminal and pointless one in Vietnam,
automatically get “hero” status, and why are they seen as naturals to
run for higher national office?
I’m sure there are plenty of heroes in the military—people who put
their lives on the line, and even give their lives, for their comrades,
people who give up safe jobs and leave their families for what they see
as a patriotic duty. But let’s face it: the whole recruiting project is
about convincing young men and women that joining the military is in
their self-interest—a way to get ahead, a way to see the world, a way
to get financial aid for college, a way to have some excitement, a way
to get a fat signing bonus so you can buy that new car you’ve been
coveting. And people who sign up for these self-interested reasons are
no more heroic than people who go to work for Merrill Lynch or Wal-Mart.
Furthermore, while there are dangerous posts in Iraq and
Afghanistan, the nature of the military is that the vast majority of
people who wear a uniform just work in offices or motor pools, and face
dangers no greater than workers who do the same thing in civilian life
at home. In fact, in the case of more hazardous work, like heavy
equipment repair or flying cargo planes, it’s probably safe to say that
after years of speedups and of gutting worker safety rules and
inspections, it may be safer working for the Pentagon than working for
a civilian employer.
Beyond that, there are people who are easily as heroic as many of our
uniformed citizens who don’t get any credit for their courage and
dedication to humanity and to their country. How about young doctors
who eschew lucrative careers in plastic surgery to work as GPs in
low-income communities or on Indian reservations? How about Peace Corps
or Vista volunteers who go to dangerous places at home and abroad to
help people improve their lives? The Pennsylvania soldier who died
throwing himself on top of a live grenade to save his buddies is a true
hero. But so is the 23-year-old math teacher slain in Philadelphia last
month who left safe, suburban Minnesota to take a low-wage post
teaching underserved kids in this notorious murder capital. Even in
uniform there are heroes who don’t get credit for their courage. How
about people like Lt. Ehren Watada or Sgt. Camilo Mejia, or other members of the military who risked jail, or even did hard time rather than fight, or continue to fight in an illegal war?
There are heroes in our schools, heroes on the job, heroes who work
in jobs like police officer or firefighter, heroes trying to raise
families in adversity, even heroes in politics (though these are few
and far between!). Most of them aren’t ever recognized by society for
what they do. Not everyone who serves in the military is a hero, and plenty of people who don’t, or won’t, wear a uniform are genuine heroes.
Furthermore, as Gen. Clark noted, wearing a uniform, and going to
war, or even earning a medal, do not make a person better suited for
government or politics. But I’d go him one further. Even having been a
high-ranking officer, and having had significant administrative or
policy-making experience in the military does not make a person any
better suited for an executive or a legislative position in government.
In fact, arguably, it makes a person less well suited for government in
a democratic society. The military is not a place that values open
expression of opinions. It is a top-down organization in which
obedience to “superiors” is valued more highly than initiative and
self-direction. The military isn’t even as democratic as the old
Bolshevik Party. At least in theory, Lenin’s Bolshevik model was
supposed to encourage democratic discussion until a decision was
reached by the leadership, after which there would be discipline and
unquestioned obedience. In the military, the democratic discussion part
is eliminated from the model. What that has to do with democratic
governance I don’t know.
Don’t get me wrong. I have a endless sympathy for the hundreds of
thousands of military personnel, active duty, reservist and National
Guard members, who got dragged off under false pretenses to have to
serve in an illegal war of aggression, even to get seriously wounded or
to die there, and I’m a strong supporter of generous veterans’ benefits
for all of them and for their long-suffering families.
But let’s not cheapen the term “hero” by assigning it to all of
them—especially while ignoring the heroism of those who have refused to
fight, or of those who engage in heroic efforts to better the lives of
their fellow human beings instead of just helping to kill them.
And let’s stop pretending that having worn a uniform somehow
automatically makes someone a better person, and a more competent
leader, than someone who never wore one.
The returned soldiers I’ve known from Vietnam, and the soldiers I’ve
spoken to who have served in Iraq, have for the most part been the
first to say that they don’t feel like heroes. It is, in fact, the
charlatans and political cowards in government who are busy promoting
endless war who are tossing that label around with such abandon. They
are in both parties, and we should recognize their abuse of the term,
“hero” and their fake stances of “respect” and “support” for the
troops, for what it is: cheap political posturing, designed to
intimidate critics of a criminal war.
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DAVE LINDORFF is a Philadelphia-based journalist and columnist. His
latest book is “The Case for Impeachment” (St. Martin’s Press, 2006,
and now available in paperback. His work is available at www.thiscantbehappening.net
You just never stop trying
You just never stop trying to be a counter-culture "shock blogger" do you Lindorff? Opinions are like assholes -- everybody has one. Most of yours, however, are little more than cheap shots in the quest for sensationalism.
The real heroes in this world are those who can continue to function while under great duress, and scared shitless. Not one vet among the many I am proud to be associated with, has ever referred to him/herself as a "hero" -- but we are very proud to have been able to serve, and to survive.
I'm simply saying that being "brave" isn't being a hero
You and your buds may have been brave under fire, and I wouldn't presume to say I could have been the same, but the simple fact of your having carried a gun for Uncle Sam doesn't make you a hero--a point I think you agree with.
Nor does it make you leader material.
And that goes for John McCain as well. And for John Kerry. Nothing in their military record or on their chests makes them a better leader prospect than someone who didn't serve in the military. We might be able to say that they are both brave men, but so what? There are different kinds of courage, and courage of conviction is much more important in a political leader than courage under fire.
When it comes to looking for a political leader, I'll take a Lt. Watada, who was willing to stand up to the whole Pentagon on a point of honor and principle to a guy who was able to stand his ground during an attack and defend his position. For that matter, I'll take a Dennis Kucinich, who is willing to stand alone and call the president a war criminal and to file articles of impeachment to defend the Constitution in the face of ridicule from his colleagues and the corporate media.
That is the point of my article. Not "shock jocking."
No need for you to go off half-cocked. I'm not dissing your courage. I'm just saying your courage doesn't make you, or McCain, presidential material.
The entire slant (see title)
The entire slant (see title) of your original post belittles ALL veterans, and their service. You could have made your point about the definition of "heroes" without trivializing veterans in general.
We Democratic vets understand, and for the most part sympathize with, your and the other David's anti-war stance. When the both of you express your opposition to war by dissing those of us who have "been there, done that, and bought the t-shirt," however, there needs to a line drawn.
And just fyi, it doesn't require "courage" to survive in a combat zone -- just wits, and a whole lot of faith in, and reliance on, your teammates. Cooperative survival takes on a whole new meaning, and that's where military traditions, discipline, and honor come in -- even for non-combat service members. Most non-vets have never had to test that part of themselves, and to my way of thinking is one of the reasons we are seeing the growth of "me first" attitudes which prevail today.
There are many more, and more important, benefits resulting from service in the military than just the perks (college, GI Bill, etc.) -- it instills character, and provides values which follow people throughout their lives. Military service provides a valuable, and sometimes harsh, lesson in cooperation for the common good. Oh, and then there's that little thing about honoring a sworn oath, which we so routinely chastize our elected representatives for violating.
And lastly, I am not "half-cocked." I am fully-cocked...;-)
I think you've read me wrong
I've gotten some great supportive letters from vets to this column. Check out www.afterdowningstreet.org and www.opednews.com
They seem to get it.
I'm not dissing the troops at all. I'm simply saying that they're not all heroes, and don't even think they're heroes, and that it's the charlatans who sent them on that fool's errand call them heroes to hide from their own culpability and responsibility to those men and women.
I believe we owe the people who have been sent to Iraq a great deal, but we don't owe them false honorifics. And we shouldn't be fooled into believing that serving in the military makes one a better political leader. It might, but so might working on a loading dock or teaching a daycare class.
Opednews? That explains a
Opednews? That explains a few things. Tell Frank Ranelli I said hello.
Lindorff frequently forgets that 'heros' in this...
country today are more frequently the Paris Hiltons and the J Los, the football players, the runners and jumpers of the Olympics than they are of the individual military members who are actively involved in 'serving' the people of this country. Doesn't matter the reasons for the service...they are there and they do serve.
These constant attacks from the likes of Lindorff and Swanson(both stalWARTS of the op-ed news wussie-types against the military--serving or who have served--have got to stop.
Did Swanson ever serve? Has Lindorff ever serve? Or, are they like our cowardly deserter commander in chief who pretended to serve and then ran from his service--from the champaign unit of the Texas National Guard?
Heros? A much mis-used word by the likes of those who never put a foot in harm's way.
Go somewhere else Lindorff and peddle your nonsense to the kiddies on your block who just might, from ignorance and inexperience, applaud your crap that somehow gets repeated again and again.
What a perfect waste of space on a supposedly progressive blog.
When it was time for our two Daves to stand up and be counted...they were busily wearing out their puter keyboards in the search for the perfect attack material--those members of our armed forces who chose to serve despite there being no draft.
Our two Daves should be ashamed. Instead they fly their cowardly banner high as they type out their harsh and constant attacks on our serving forces. They play corpses at sit ins, hold signs in protest, and stamp their feet as they tell us about heroism--their version at least.
Heros? Certainly not these two refugees from op-ed news.
A mind once expanded can never return to its original dimensions.
Anne Hathaway: 1556-1623
The greatest derangement of the mind is to believe in something because one wishes it to be so.
The Lindorff Thesis: Veterens are not special.
The Lindorff Thesis:
Is this true? It implies:
This is silly on the face of it.
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OBVIOUSLY:
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Number (3) is rejected by Lindorff and it's done so with passion. This leads one to believe this stems from something deeper than an error in logic. Soldiers pay the price for BOTH horrid politicians AND draft dodgers, EVEN WHEN THOSE RESISTERS ARE IN THE RIGHT.
Lindorff can't find that truth. Can't recognize who he has killed even while being at peace with what he had to do ON BALANCE to prevent deaths (by his reckoning).
Hell, forget the introspection I call for here, we can't even find a moment when Lindorff will lay souls that already went through fire.
This is exactly the same trash I heard at last years 4th of July picnic from Conservative folk: "They (soldiers) signed up for the money/college so..." Who has the "guts" to utter such crap? (And yes, all the grown ups know the degree to which folks sign up for cash. It's figured into the equation and soldiers still get the nod of deference).
The theme of this thread
The theme of this thread asks the questions: are ALL soldiers "heroes," or not, and does a military background qualify an individual to be POTUS. That is a strawman approach, without identifying who it is exactly that alludes to military members being called "heroes." I have never heard an active mlitary member, or a veteran, call themselves (or each other) "heroes." And yes, most military members and veterans have stopped beating their wives...;-)
What's missing in this discussion, is that a "hero" is in the eyes of the beholder. My father was a hero to me, but probably not to anyone else. Professional athletes have been held to "hero" status, and asked to be role models for their fans -- many have failed. A "hero" does not have to be extremely courageous, nor a "leader," in order to obtain the status in the eyes of another individual.
The root argument here, is whether or not military service makes one more qualified to be a leader. The answer to that question, on the whole, is yes. The military teaches disciplne, leadership, innovation, and the ability to function under duress -- IF one is willing to learn. Does every military member learn these life lessons? Of course not, but many do. I know that I did, and my military experience has served me well in later civilian life, in postions of leadership, AND in being a contributor.
Those who have not had the opportunity of a military background often obtain these skill-sets through a formal education, or by trial-and-error. It really boils down to personal choices, values, and a desire to learn. The military gives an individual the opportunity to learn life-skills that he or she may not have gotten elsewhere.
We could also pose the question from the opposite point-of-view: Does a military background disqualify one from obtaining a position of leadership? The answer to that question is, obviously, no. Does McCain's military experience qualify him to be POTUS? No, because he does not exemplify those qualities that make a good leader (hot tempered, vindictive, overbearing, eager to fight, etc.). He was most likely not respected by his military teammates because of these negative qualities as well.
As a cowardly "draftee"
and quoting the words of Albert Einstein, "I agree".
You may be amazed at the number of times I've heard, "you had to go, you didn't have a choice" as if to make the purple heart I earned in Vietnam somehow more meaningful in the eyes of guilt-ridden non-veterans who hijack my service, to ridicule those who followed their conscience or even their fears to Canada.
So not only do these guys sit around vicariously sucking up an adrenaline rush from The Military Channel they can nearly always be counted on to parse their heart felt appreciation for "heroes" between those who had to be dragged kicking and screaming into the military and those motivated by "genuine patriotism". And that is the depth of the honor they so "bravely bestow". And while they say to my face I deserve every penny of the compensation I receive dollar wise and benefit wise they always vote for the party that tries to cut them. I guess they figure I don't realize who at the end of the line connecting the dots voted for the reductions.
Well, let's at least set the record straight
No, I did not "serve." I was a draft resister. But unlike some (Cheney comes to mind, and Wolfowitz, and Perle, and others who helped promote this stupid war) who used academic deferments to hide from the Vietnam War, or others (Bush comes to mind) who signed up for the Guard and checked "not available for oveerseas duty" on their applications, I, with an 81 in the lottery, never requested or received a II-S Student Deferment, which I thought would be unfair. I decided to refuse induction and to face jail.
Many people did that. In fact, I ended up not going to jail, because by the time I was called up, in '69, I and many others on the left had decided we should go ahead and get drafted. I went to the induction center in New Haven and simply stood up for my and other inductees' rights. I spoke out and handed out anti-war fliers and info on draft resistance and rights to other inductees. I told officers there what I thought of the war and of them. When I went home, I was sent a 4F. It wasn't something I asked for or even wanted. I got it because by '69 the military in Vietnam was in open revolt, and I guess they decided they didn't want outspoken troublemakers like me joining them.
I don't apologize to anyone for my actions in those years. I did the right thing, and I'm proud of it.
My dad was a Marine in WWII. He supported my position then, and he supports it now. My grandfather, who earned a silver star in WWI, is dead. I don't know what he'd say about this current war, but he never called himself a hero. He never even talked about his war or his experience in it.
People in the military are no better and no worse than people in any other profession. Most are in uniform because they couldn't get a job elsewhere, or because they liked the benefits, or because they wanted to learn a trade. Most never see combat. Of those that do, some do heroic things. Some commit atrocities.
The military is full of people--caring humanists, religious fanatics, thugs, heroes and rapists. Each individual is what he is, just as in civilian life.
All I'm saying is: let's not cheapen the term "hero" by applying it to everyone in a uniform. It's an insult to the people, in and out of the military, who are true heroes.
"People in the military are
"People in the military are no better and no worse than people in any other profession. Most are in uniform because they couldn't get a job elsewhere, or because they liked the benefits, or because they wanted to learn a trade. Most never see combat. Of those that do, some do heroic things. Some commit atrocities.
The military is full of people--caring humanists, religious fanatics, thugs, heroes and rapists. Each individual is what he is, just as in civilian life.
All I'm saying is: let's not cheapen the term "hero" by applying it to everyone in a uniform. It's an insult to the people, in and out of the military, who are true heroes."
And in today's political climate may I say speaking these words of truth might be considered by some a heroic action.
Would anyone on Democrats.com...
...mind if we all go off on:
-Teachers
or
-Cops
or
-etc.
I'm sure we could all speak similar truths about those groups. About how they are only doing "it" for the money. Let's pull them apart. There can't be anything of grandeur in those groups? Nothing that sets them apart?
Regardless of the parallel, all we get treated to here, is troop bashing. That is telling.
NEWSFLASH: RAPING VIOLINISTS
Can we have a series of no duh articles?
-Some solders are rapists.
-Some Musicians kick their dogs.
-Etc.
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Yeah I get it:
Their are two problems however:
1) You're wrong David, folks DO the analysis and they simply disagree with you. Knowing every obvious word you spoke, they show, ON BALANCE, deference to soldiers. Sorry.
2) An obvious counter to point one can be made by alluding to dullards. Yep, they're with us. They don't do the analysis, and because of this subset of folks you tirelessly bash soldiers? Your choice of subjects says more about you than the particulars of what you say. Here you only state the obvious but do so with great fire.
Here's another perspective.
Some enlist to escape abject poverty and they pay a heavy price for it.