Which Democrat Do You Support for President?
Joe Biden 1% (8 votes) Hillary Clinton 24% (168 votes) Chris Dodd 1% (5 votes) John Edwards 29% (207 votes) Mike Gravel 1% (4 votes) Dennis Kucinich 21% (151 votes) Barack Obama 21% (149 votes) Bill Richardson 2% (13 votes) Total votes: 705
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Which to support?
I'm very saddened and conflicted today.
I have long supported and defended Dennis Kucinich and expect I will always appreciate his steadfast courage and actions speaking truth to power. His recognition of the need to stop our Congress from backing the neo-con conspiracy to force the "benchmark", corporate-friendly hydrocarbon law on the Iraqi parliament and his call to impeach Cheney for his massive crimes against the Constitution are singularly crucial to supporting the very concept of justice. We all owe Dennis our gratitude. He is a leader with integrity standing high above his opportunistic colleagues.
But circumstances have converged to undermine my confidence. I just finished reading Naomi Klein's "Shock Doctrine", and it has had a profound effect on me, illuminating a wider arena of our political circumstance than I knew existed and confirming many of my greatest fears. Some of those fears, ironically, had been brought to my attention by Dennis Kucinich. Free-market corporate control through forced privatization is the essence of both the proposed "Iraq oil and gas law" which Dennis exposed on the floor of the House in a historic hour last May, and the decades-long disaster capitalist conspiracy detailed in Naomi's stunning compilation.
I guess I must have been in denial ever since Dennis proposed a cross-party ticket with himself and Ron Paul about a month ago, a slip I couldn't let interfere with my appreciative loyalty to one who carries the banner for progressivism. I was aware of Paul's Libertarian position and often tried to wake up his zombie-like followers, who appear ready to follow him blindly into ridding our society of any vestige of social justice as a side-effect of their honest zeal to quit our involvements in Iraq and disastrous free-market agreements. Maybe he was mis-quoted, or I didn't really read that. After all, they're diametrically opposed on health-care and tax reform. Can't be.
I didn't even rationalize it. I just denied it.
Now this. Throw support to Obama over Edwards? To say Edwards has a flawed record is an understatement. But to compare Obama's regrets for his faults to Edwards' honest contrition on Iraq and the bankruptcy bill, well, Obama seems to have no regrets for comparison, yet his short record certainly shows enough flaws for regret. There is no single issue on which Obama is more progressive than Edwards. Yes, both are flawed candidates, but now, clearly, so is Dennis Kucinich.
This could have left me at quite an impasse, but I was really awakened by Norman Solomon's comments today, and one in particular, "Presidential candidates have to be considered in the context of the current historical crossroads."
Edwards is challenging power. He recognizes the dangers of oil dependence and global climate change. Edwards is pointing to excessive corporate influence as he appeals for economic justice. He is openly challenging the insurance and pharmaceutical industries. He is alarmed over the economic destruction of the middle class. If he hasn't read "The Shock Doctrine", he is channeling it's warnings.
Thank you Naomi, thank you Norman, and thank you Dennis. I won't forget you, but it's that crossroads where I must re-assess which road I should take. More than one has promise for real progress, but I can't afford another breakdown on this journey.
That's very eloquent
thank you :)
John Edwards
Our vote was and always will be for John Edwards.
He is the breath of fresh air.
At the cross roads a Turning Point
Dennis Kucinich's regrettable support for Barak Obama indicates how differently we all see the road ahead. I agree with the sentiments of the writer describing the Shock Doctrine and the Road Ahead. We are at a global turning point and John Edwards is the preferred candidate to make this transition.
Kucinich supporting Obama only Iowa caucus -- not longterm
Just before the Iowa caucus, without knowing the microphone was still broadcasting, Clinton and Edwards were quietly speaking confidentially (they thought) to each other scheming on how to eliminate the other candidates, like Kucinich, from the rest of the debates. Kucinich was obviously not happy with them and therefore, in the Iowa caucus instant run off vote for redistribution of votes according to 2nd choice, he recommended his voters shift to Obama. Kucinich made himself very clear that this was a one time only action. Obama was not party to that undemocratic Machiavellian conversation accidently broadcast and showing their true natures.
thank you
You expressed very well the reason I support Edwards in spite of his questionable votes in the past. I, too, was very surprised that Kucinich would ask his supporters to make Obama his second choice.
Andrea
Changing focus
In order to move focus to the most important issue of the nations' welfare, which seems to be John Edwards' message, this country needs to move past the race and gender issues, and all those issues that have been laid before us as a means to divide and conquer our strength. It seems that Iowa took one step forward in that direction. That's the significance I attach to Dennis Kucinich's support for Obama.
I hate to appear stupid or
I hate to appear stupid or uninformed, but when did Kucinich tell people to throw their support behind Obama on the second vote? I saw him on TV (more than once) the DAY BEFORE the Iowa caucus and he was telling people to support EDWARDS, not Obama. When, exactly, did this happen? I have heard or seen nothing about this. Can anyone provide a link or anything? I get Kucinich campaign material all the time, online, and haven't seen anything there, either.
Thanks
Here's a link to the WaPo article.
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/01/01/kucinich_throws_his_...
According to the article, this is a Iowa only endorsement.
Kucinich supporting Obama only Iowa caucus -- not longterm
Kucinich had made statements to the press that the support for Obama was only for the Iowa caucus not for the long-term as he was determined to be president. Several news articles had the exact words. I received the articles because I had set up an "alert" with Kucinich's name.
noob question
Don't know if anyone is still following this thread; I'm a noob. Ok, here's the question. What's awful about a cross-ticket between Kucinich and Paul? I realize it's only relevant to my current support for Kucinich, after the blatant Rovian attempts to shoot him down in his re-election campaign, because Dennis isn't in the Prez'l race anymore.
I've already learned a lot just in the last hour, when I joined this site and started to read. But can I offer a view from 20 steps back? I've got some confusions generally about the minutiae of political issues, and sometimes I can't tell if my exact views lean progressive or conservative, or even what my views are, exactly. But from the position of a guy who hates evil and loves fairness, it appears to me that the Republican party AS IT CURRENTLY EXISTS is simply the Party of Evil. Or the Axis of Evil, to quote a favorite child of Satan. More specifically, the difference between the Dems in general and the GOP in general, is that occasionally some Dems succumb to the temptations of power, but Republicans join the game specifically for the opportunity to cheat their way to gaining and keeping power. In general, Dems believe in the welfare of our country, and Republicans believe they want to become more wealthy and more powerful no matter what ethical and moral compromises that requires. Dems occasionally slip up, and Republicans hunt with all their cunning for more opportunities for ethical and moral compromises. There are exceptions of course. But aside from my own uncertainties about specific details of political issues, I am dead certain that it is unsafe, generally, to support any Republican, and in fact, I shy away from trusting anybody whom I know to be a Republican, simply because I know what bad judgment grassroots-level Republicans are guilty of. Anyone who chooses to be a Republican is one of, or any combination of, four different adjectives: deceived, ignorant, outright stupid, or outright evil. I can honestly say I have never personally met a Republican who is not a combination of these four adjectives. Even sincere conservatives support policies that have long since been PROVEN to be fairy tales or foolishness.
So, that said, it's difficult for me to see the point in debating minutiae, even among the remaining Dems in the Prez'l race. If Obama gets the nom, I will vote for him because regardless of the flaws you guys have cited, he's still about 390% better than John "Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Bomb Bomb Iran" McCain. If Hillary gets it (impossible at this moment, without an outrageous coup d'etat involving the Supers), I will STILL vote for her, in spite of her manifest willingness to emulate Karl Rove, because she is about 230% better than McCain. BOTH these candidates are the Lesser of the Evils. And I hate to say it, but it's still true, that until we change our voting system to Instant Runoff or some variation thereof, we will ALWAYS be forced to vote for the Lesser of Two Evils. John McCain is either WAY too stupid, or WAY too evil, to be worthy of the Presidency.
Welcome to the site!
Well said and...
...make no mistake: You're a Political Liberal ;)
It simply means you do not throw the baby out with the bath water. You think.
You are also likely to posses a bleeding liberal heart, but that is NOT necessary to be a Political Liberal.
American Liberalism is for folks of BOTH liberal and conservative dispositions. In particular, at this point in history, we don't need Conservative Incomes for the vast majority. We need Liberal Incomes for workers. Ron Paul opposes that.
Jim
PRAYING FOR CHANGE!
I HAVE MY VIEWS ON WHO I THINK SHOULD GET IT BUT LETS FACE IT, SHREK WOULD BE A BETTER PRESIDENT AT THIS POINT. LETS JUST STAND FOR WHAT WE BELIEVE IN AND MAKE OUR PARTY PROUD AND HEARD!!
Edwards
John Edwards is my first choice.
Why aren't more people talking about Biden?
If you're looking for a candidate to support, look closely.
Don't overlook Joe Biden.
He has the experience, the know-how, the conviction, an achievable plan and true leadership abilities.
Republicans are praying Hilary gets the nomination because she'll lose the election, Obama doesn't have the experience and Edwards isn't strong enough.
I'm sincerely hoping to see Biden come into the forefront.
So far, with about 60% of the precincts...
reporting, Biden is dragging at the very bottom.
Top three were about a playing card's width apart...Obama pulled a slight edge ahead of the other two.
Edwards & Hillary very close together.
A mind once expanded can never return to its original dimensions.
Anne Hathaway: 1556-1623
The greatest derangement of the mind is to believe in something because one wishes it to be so.
Kucinich's Endorsement of Obama
The Wall Street Journal today ran a piece on Edwards being a populist, for opposing a business and corporate agenda. At a time when Edwards is challenging the system, Kucinich endorses Obama?!? This when Obama expressed hawkish views in his article in Foreign Affairs? I have always supported Kucinich, but I find his recent decision inexplicable and inexcusable in terms of advancing a progressive agenda. Bravo to Norman Solomon who echos sentiments I expressed to others when I heard about what Dennis did.
I view candidates as a means to advance a social movement. I am now registering my concern about Kucinich by voting for Edwards in this poll. Progressives should be uniting, not making political deals. Final point: the official poll of Progressive Democrats found Kucinich with 41%, Edwards 26% and Obama 13%. Kucinich is violating accountability to his political base which clearly favored Edwards over Obama. I now view Kucinich, for the first time, as having the same flaws as his rivals. Edwards, however, is changing for the better while Kucinich is not.
My question is, did this endorsement
put Obama ahead in Iowa?
So far, every Kucinech supporter post I have read
has been opposed to this endorsement.
Hilary Clinton is my candidate
First, Hilary has no choice but to be promilitary; as a woman, she cannot be elected as a dove. Second, she has a way too much sense to ever lead us into war, and enough sense to get us out of it. Third, as the first woman president, she will enact plenty of change--more than any other candidate. Fourth, what is Edwards going to do about corporate power when he gets into office (he says he won't negotiate with corporations); will he take them to court? Fifth, besides being young, good looking, mixed race, and intelligent, what does Obama have to offer in the way of change? His policies are non-existent and his message vague.
Come on, progressive demos, screw your head on right and back the strongest candidate. Don't allow yourself to be blinded by the sexist media, which constantly uses the word "strident" (even when they say "she didn't sound strident) about her when they would never use it toward a male.
Hilary is smart, capable, has a vision of domestic policy, has a vision of foreign policy, and CAN BE ELECTED! Get behind her.
Hillary vs Obama
I completely agree with everything you said - and you said it so well - I sent a copy of your remarks to my entire family.
Thanks!
Hillary is the best possible candidate for change!
Thank you for your intelligent, well-thought-out comment. I agree completely.
What do we really know about Obama, except that he reads well-written speeches with great enthusiasm.
However, it seems that this country is still happily SEXIST, as many white men seem to believe that anyone, other than a woman, could run this country.
Does anyone out there listen to the debates? Do they know how hard Hillary has worked for us over the years? Do they care?
Apparently the great majority of idiots who voted Bush into office twice, are now getting on the Obama bandwagon.
How sad for the Democratic Party.
Many of my Republican friends have said they'd rather see Obama in office because he's a man! That's the south for you!
Then there's the black vote. Does it occur to anyone that many blacks are voting for Obama simply because he IS black? Is that not racist? (Does that not divide us?) Is the church he attends not racist? Check it out for yourself and decide.
And, I have to take issue with Obama on his statement that he's :"not a part of the Washington political insiders"....who are the Kennedys endorsing? And that traitor, John Kerry? We all know that Kennedy and Kerry are two of the BIGGEST Washington insiders!
Further, it's outrageous that Kerry did not endorse Edwards. I worked for that campaign and I saw, first hand, how hard Edwards worked for Kerry. Now I regret supporting his campaign.
I was sorry we lost to Bush..but I no longer respect Kerry, and the fact that he endorsed Obama is not a plus in my eyes.
GO HILLARY! We in Florida DID come out to vote, in droves, and we voted for YOU!
If the DNC does not give you our votes...I'm becoming an Independent!
Patti, try hard not to become an indie...
One of our bloggers here [David Swanson] has quoted a piece by Dr. Lisa Schirch(Ph.D, Justice and Peacekeeping)who spells out exactly what Obama means when he discusses Bipartanship:
"...Obama attracts independents, Republicans, evangelicals, and other conservative voters..."
These are the very same people who have given us all the past 8 years.
That is Mr Obama's core of followers.
Hillary is DLC, also not a favorite of Liberal Dems, but at least she is capable and does, take stands on issues. She can make decisions without going into a huddle with handlers as Obama does. She does not vote 'present' to avoid the stain and damage of taking stands on issues.
Hillary has many years when she worked for women and children both in Arkansas and nationally. She may not be everything we could wish for in a candidate, but neither are any of the others who chose to run.
Note in the statement about Obama's group of followers, there is no listing for Liberal Dems. Senator Obama believes that he can walk on water, that he can achieve a 2nd coming(messiah complex).
As I've stated in other posts, the two leaders are running neck and neck with much riding on the last few primaries.
These glorious speeches that Obama can make, are so much smoke and mirrors because he almost never explains--except in the most general terms--what he actually means.
Hillary is the candidate(out of those who chose to make the run)who can fix what has gone wrong in America. As a NY Senator, she has listened to her constituents. As President, we can be hopeful that she will listen to us all.
Down to the wire.
A mind once expanded can never return to its original dimensions.
Anne Hathaway: 1556-1623
The greatest derangement of the mind is to believe in something because one wishes it to be so.
Fox News
When I read some of the things that are being repeated on this blog I reconize these same passages from conservative talk radio or fox news. Please take a moment and see what kind of smoke and mirrors you think that this is.
www.barackobama.com/pdf/ObamaBlueprintForChange.pdf
This is a very detailed plan for every change and solution I think that some of the uninformed voters are not aware of truthfully I stumbled on it accidentally while trying to be more informed and I can say that after reading this I am.
Josh Norris "Yes We Can!"
norrisdanville
Obama is a good guy.
Take the time to dig a little deeper however. If you do, I assure you, you will understand that things are more complex, and THAT is what is occurring above, NOT nonsense from FOX and company.
Once our nominee is selected we will all move forward and support him/her. Until then, debate will continue. For example, although the booklet you site gives some details, it lacks numbers, so you can expect a debate between nominees/supporters on that.
Jim
In particular...
...you should know, for example, that the post you responded to is in response to hundreds upon hundreds of posts across SEVERAL blogs. Those posts ran the gamut from intelligent to inane, from civil to horrifically rude.
There is a context to these things. One suggestion: track a posters posts to get a sense of things. It helps ;)
Jim
people are EASILY manipulated by propaganda - what are we to do?
Christ, I have been trying to explain this to people for months. Thank you. Well done.
Kucinich is my first choice.
Kucinich is my first choice, my second has been John Edwards.
At 8:30pm Iowa time...Obama is slightly in the lead...
Hillary and Edwards are jockying back and forth 2&3.
Huckabee is the Repugnant winner.
Since Huck is the winner for their side, we need to make some signs for the edges of the flat earth:
Here there be dragons.
A mind once expanded can never return to its original dimensions.
Anne Hathaway: 1556-1623
The greatest derangement of the mind is to believe in something because one wishes it to be so.
So it CAN get worse!?
Thanks grinch.
Can it get worse?
Oh yes! It can get much worse. If the American people don't actively pursue getting the right candidate on the ballot, it will definitely get MUCH WORSE!
Here's what we'll end up with:
Obama - lack of experience. Proposes change but fails to specify what changes. A nightmare health care system. Vague platform. The White House will become a "learning experience" at the expense of the American people. Endorsed by the Kennedy's. EEEEK! JFK and RFK are turing in their graves.
Edwards - pretty, but unconvincing. Weak in too many areas.
McCain - a war veteran - and no doubt - a proponent of force in foreign affairs. Way, way too conservative.
Romney - a hypocrite of the first order.
Get out and actively campaign for Hillary Clinton. Experience, vision, powerful advocate for families, immigration, and the economy. After all, her husband had the best economic advisors in recent memory! And, she'll get us out of this disastrous war in Iraq.... and NOT get us into another one.
Someone said - "Pray for Change". The time for praying is over. It's time to get the lead out and a move on!!
Irish, I do believe that you've said it very well...
not surprisingly, we are from the same generation(I am post depression however). Your comments describe my feelings about the candidates completely. You left out Shuckabee however and he is becoming a force within the Repugnant party. Other than that omission, you are right on the money.
Something over a month ago, I sat down with my lists of resumes, activities, associations, and so on of our candidates. Coldly and calculatingly, I assessed the values to the nation of those who CHOSE to run. At that time, on this and other posting boards, I requested a NONE OF THE ABOVE BUTTON. Sadly, none was forthcoming. The LOVE/HATE FEST was already underway.
It would seem that after yesterday, this contest of the wanna-bees will go all the way to the convention. There is nothing at this point that can prevent any or all of our candidates(now pretty much down to just the two principals)from making it to a brokered nomination. Out of our hands as voters so to speak.
I had spent considerable time studying our three major candidates. Clinton, Edwards, and Obama. Initially, they all looked pretty good. None of them however pleased me to any extent.
I finally settled on Hillary, despite her lackluster Senatorial career. Both of her opponents also had/have lackluster Senatorial careers. Hillary is also a dyed in the wool DLC member...as is Edwards and probably Obama.
But, these are the leaders of a pack that included a large number of wanna-bees who just plain were not to be considered.
Hillary's biggest problem is that she is hated. Hatred beyond belief. I believe much of the hatred is just because she is a woman, not because of any of her stands...and unlike the other two, she did make decisions and did take stands.
Hillary is best able to take on the Repugnant Hate Machine--they have thrown everything they have on her at her already and she is still on her feet and the sparks still fly from her eyes.
I am not going to list the negatives about Edwards or Obama...their baggage speaks for them.
With Hillary, at least we know what we have and what she is capable of. We know her past efforts better than any other political leader thanks to that Repugnant investigation that ran for years and cost close to $100 million.
All we can do is to support our candidate of choice and hope for the best.
A mind once expanded can never return to its original dimensions.
Anne Hathaway: 1556-1623
The greatest derangement of the mind is to believe in something because one wishes it to be so.
With Iowa behind us now...
the focus is already switching to NH. Gonna be a heck of a battle there. All candidates will be on the ballot.
A mind once expanded can never return to its original dimensions.
Anne Hathaway: 1556-1623
The greatest derangement of the mind is to believe in something because one wishes it to be so.
Dennis Kucinich
In my book Dennis Kucinich is the best candidate who has been totally overlooked. Why in the world the media zeroed in on Clinton, Obama, Edwards only? All the other candidates are as excellent as the other three. The media should not be choosing the candidate they favor. The editorial page is the place for expressing favor or disfavor but, when entire sections of the media (including TV, radio and newpapers) write only about the ones they think are viable candidates, the media influence many people who might otherwise take a closer look at ALL the candidates. Dennis Kucinich is knowledgeable, conversive, knows the issues and knows his own positions. He does not vary his positions. He has a plan for getting out of Iraq, for universal healthcare,etc. which he has enumerated WHEN he is given the chance. Unfortunately, most of the time he is never called upon to speak. Shameful, I think.
UH!!
The media hasn't exactly "zeroed" in on Edwards. To hell with MSNBC, and CNN!! Keith Olberman included!! There whole runup was all about Clinton and Obama and their early returns were how Clinton and Obama were ahead in the entrance polls. Edwards lost yes, and I am eating some serious crow right now, but he clearly was a very strong candidate.
Anyway, saying the media "zeroed in" on Edwards isn't true. Clinton and Obama yes. I think it is pretty plain to see that if Edwards would have got media time correspoding with his TRUE position in the polls.... Well I'll cut that off there. Don't wanna rant. I think you get my meaning.
We gotta lose this damn primary system. I don't care who you support this system is HORRIBLE!!!! Why do just a few states get to decide? I live in Kentucky and have never voted once on who will be our nominee. I always went and "showed support" for all of them!!
Hear, hear!
The media has all but ignored Edwards for the most part.
He gets less coverage than Obama and Clinton.
We need to let the MSM know this is not OK!
John Edwards
I am so thankful that Senator Edwards did so good in Iowa tonight. I have supported Senator Edwards since the beginning of his political career. First as our senator then in 2004 in his run for the Presidency. He grew up in a small town near me called Robbins,NC. He has good family values. He is our best choice for change here and abroad. His wife Elizabeth is an inspiration, not only for myself, but all women who are fighting breast cancer. To anyone undecided please listen to John, he really means what he says. I would not have been such a dedicated supporter for the past 12+ years if I did not believe in him. I am 60 years old and have had breast cancer. He understands
so much more than the other candidates. He understands the importance of affordable health care, immigration changes, Home land security, a strong educational system, etc. He spoke of 2 Americas before Katrina, and look what happened in New Orleans. He understands and he will make a difference for the better for all. Thank You.
Thanks
Fellow Edwards supporter here. I can be pretty passionate so I am disappointed. It made me send him some money I barely had, thats all.
Thank you for summing up how I feel nicely though. We can't give up, we can win NH and SC, and NV. Nothing is conceded!!
Best wishes!!
Hi Richard, I did the same this morning.
My finances are tight, but I sent a contribution
to Edwards campaign.
If all his supporters contribute what they can,
it adds up to a lot.
Edwards speaks for me and I will support him.
John Edwards
What a speech tonight! And a second place finish to Obama who spent 3 times as much on media as Edwards. Not a bad night, but it's time to kick things up a notch.
This weekend, put on your Edwards T-Shirt, print some flyers from the national website, and walk around the parking lot at your local grocery store and hand them out. You don't have to convince anyone on the spot. The fact someone is doing this in their neighborhood will sow the seeds of victory in people's minds.
Have you noticed that Edwards gets less coverage in the corporate media than Fred Thompson? They do not want his progressive message to get out because every time someone hears Edwards speak they know he is speaking for them (unless they're from K-Street).
I saw this four years ago when the FCC slipped through media consolidation regulations during the congressional winter recess. Howard Dean said he would roll back the Republican media consolidation rules the first day he was in office. Within a week his 80% favorable coverage in the press dropped to 75% negative. The corporate media front office called the Iowa Caucus by slamming Dean, and then relentlessly playing the "YeeHaw speech" going into New Hampshire.
We live in a country where the corporate media owes their allegiance to Wall Street and the news we hear is biased to serve the rich. It is propaganda. So don't believe anything until it has been offically denied by the government.
John Edward for Me!!!
To the end!!!
war
I can NOT support any candidate who is for the iraq war for any reason. People die horrendous deaths during war so there is no excuse politically or otherwise to constantly support this Bush war, especially from Democrats. Kucinich is the best choice for this reason in my book. I would rather have Al gore. If Hilary gets the nomination then I can not vote for her because of her pro-war stance.
We are at War...
...because folks demanded purity the last time around.
The Presidency is just one seat amongst hundreds that Democrats must command for effective change. Having someone in there whose arm MIGHT be twisted in the right direction beats having another Bush-like decade. No?
No forgiveness?
Flossie,
As I said before down below I'm new here but I've been around a long time.Hillary is one of 435.How many of them voted for the patriot act after the Anthrax from Fort Dietrich,MD was mailed to Dem. leaders and media people?How much fear was running rampant through New York and DC? The citizens of New York picked her over Giulliani to be their Senator and she has served them well.THE VOTE EVERYONE USES TO BAD-MOUTH HILLARY was not an authorization for Bush to go to war,but no amount of explaination will ever get through to some people.Once our over-stressed soldiers were in Iraq would you leave them unequipped as they were when they shipped out?With a majority of 1(sometimes)would you concede that it is our fault the Senate is impotent to change much?Will you continue to blame Hillary or can you see the whole picture,forgive her,and work to elect enough progressives to Congress to take our country back from the neo-cons in November?
presidential poll
I am sticking with John Edwards. He is for real, not just saying what he thinks you want to hear.
Edwards, Clinton, Obama, anyone else
In that order. While Kucinich says all the things I want and believe, I do not think he is electable. I believe Edwards is the most progressive Candidate that can be elected. Clinton and Edwards are grossly abused by the press. I agree that Clinton has to run as a hawk because America is far too sexist to vote in a woman who does not come across as all macho male. Remember that the white U.S. males allowed male ex-slaves the vote before they allowed their mothers, sisters, daughters the vote. Neither one should have ever been denied the vote but it is telling who was feared more.
The press have given all of the coverage to Obama and Clinton simply because the first black or female president is a hot and sexy news story. Obama is just too "can't we all just get along" for me and I don't see the depth to him. He gives a wonderful speech but what does he stand for? I want someone elected that can wean us from our oil and military addiction. The fact that we are currently spending more on our military than the entire world while our people go without health care and a decent education system should just slam you in the face. Clinton has to run soft on the military just as Bill Clinton did. This is the only reason she does not have more of my support.
Keep in mind that we have many months to go. Bill Clinton was a dark horse that the press ignored early on. With all that said however, I would not have a problem with any of the Democrats who are running being President.
Hillary Clinton
Hillary said she wants to bring the troops home...period!
Also putting aside their personal lives that had no impact on our country, the Clintons got us out of debt and did whatever they said they could do while in office.
I want experience and they are a great team.
Edwards would be great for a Vice President.
She is strong and determined!
As far as the rest, they don't even come close to qualifing to be President, too wet behind the ears!
Seems obvious to me that we are still very...
much divided on our three leaders in this run for the presidency. Maybe thats a good thing, maybe a bad thing.
As Bill has stated many times and most of us concur: "It's the congress stupid." Congress is the control on both the out-of-control executive and the SCOTUS.
The presidency is a sort of Icing on the cake. A position of almost unlimited power(as BushCo has amply demonstrated)and/or a position of almost unlimited death and destruction.
A gut feeling(Bush rules by 'gut feelings' and Obama rules by 'Intuitive Feelings')tells me that the battles here and on other sites may get particularly nasty in the next few weeks.
We the People have been stopped from any meaningful change now for the past 8 years. This bitterness is going to spill over in this series of primaries.
All three of our 'leaders' have baggage. Much of it is recent, much of it is in their resumes. The chaff has got to be separated from the wheat if we, as a nation, are to survive.
I am a Hillary supporter. Since she and Edwards garnered between them, almost 60% of the Iowa vote, it would seem that the elimination of one would strengthen the other.
Going to get harsh.
A mind once expanded can never return to its original dimensions.
Anne Hathaway: 1556-1623
The greatest derangement of the mind is to believe in something because one wishes it to be so.
Hillary is strong
Icompletely agree with your feeling,and the concise way you expressed them.I hope you are influential with your friends in your hometown and on this thread!
My support goes to Barack Obama
Hillary, too cold.
Edward, too hot.
Barack, just right.
I notice there's a lot of people vote for Edwards here. Then I see the word 'aggressive' progressive. I think I am progressive, but I don't think I am 'aggressive' progressive. Maybe that's why Edward turns me off. He is too aggressive, too angry. I wouldn't want someone like that in the White House.
Nothing much to be angry about...
...I mean other than:
-losing those who attacked us on 911 while killing thousands of our own troops and a million Iraqis.
-losing Historic surpluses to Historic deficits.
-losing 1 dollar a gallon gasoline to 3 bucks a gallon gas.
-losing our window to stop the arctic from a possible summer meltdown.
-losing New Orleans to a predictable, and real time predicted, flood.
-losing our troops to Stop Loss, rather than have those we are not supposed to be angry with, enlist.
-etc.
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You might want to research what you owed before the Bush years, and what you owe now should gentle folks decide it would be too nasty to tax the leisure class as they were previously. It might make you angry to think of what would come from this.
How about a forced draft for you and yours?
I do agree that Conservatives have kept cause from effect so neither blood nor money has SEEMINGLY been spilled for the majority. (Gas is one counter example of course). A little research however will show that the former has been spent and YOU owe it. The later may still come as one cannot burn through all those volunteer troops with impunity......forever.