This member of the Liberal Democratic "base" thinks of Hillary as little as possible. However, if she is the Democratic nominee, I will vote for her -- if only to get Bill back in the White House.

If General Wesley Clark ran as her VP would it be an even better chance she would win the nomination? If not why?

I would like to know why the repubs will beat her if she is nominated. I just don't get this idea. But when I hear Bush say he thinks she will get the dem nomination that automatically makes me suspicious. Why does he say that? Is he using some kind of psychology on people? Of course, he's not capable of thinking of a political psychology, so someone else may have this kind of plan and told him what to do.

I know the repubs have some kind of plan in mind. Just what is it? Do they want her to win the nomination because there is talk she causes division?

I am a lifelong Democrat and will vote for whoever wins but Hillary Clinton cannot win the presidential election.  I know right now it is exciting and stimulating to watch the first woman run for the highest office in the land.  But, I want to win and in my opinion we cannot win if Hillary is the nominee.

We are supporting Joe Biden.  I have talked to so many people who are not party loyalists like we are and they have clearly stated they could vote for Joe Biden but not Hillary Clinton.

We like Hillary, but we are realistic, she cannot win.  The past is prologue and I hope for our party's sake that the powers that be realize that we need a candidate who can pull the moderates who are not tied to a party but vote for the person our direction. If the Democrats do not sweep Congress and the White House because of Hillary Clinton, Obama or Edwards being nominated we will be in Iraq for the rest of our lives.

Joe Biden showed what he is capable of doing yesterday in the Senate, rallying 26 republicans to his bill on Iraq.  Joe Biden can lead the Democrats to victory.

But we remain strong in our opinion that Hillary Clinton will take us down if nominated. 

Because if you listen to the Republicans talk they have already said she WILL be the nominee... 

They are praying that she wins the democratic nomination so that they can start whipping out the "Bill Clinton Impeachment Nostalgia"

Hillary's platform is basically - "Bill Clinton is my husband"

I like Hillary in the sense that I think she is a great person and means well but I do not think she could beat Giuliani or Romney or whoever the Republicans nominate in a general election. There's too many bad feelings associated with the Clintons due to Bills impeachment and besides that... who wants another Bush or Clinton?

Hillary has already said she will continue the occupation of Iraq, George Bush is even giving her tips on how to do it!

If the last election was any sign, the majority of Americans want us out of Iraq... period. Hillary is basically on par with the Republicans in a lot of aspects of foreign policy and we need a drastic change there.

I also think that a lot of women like her just because she's a woman...  probably in the same way that a lot of black people like Obama just because he's black... 

That said, I think that whoever does win the nomination (if it's not hillary) should choose her as a VP running mate. Could you imagine an Edwards/Clinton ticket? or a Biden/Clinton ticket? or an Obama/Clinton ticket?

to me that's a winning combination...  but Hillary cannot be the figureheard... she would be better as a second hat. There's just too much dirt the republicans can sling should she be the nomination.

If General Wesley Clark has endorsed her recently that is good enough for me.

I oppose Hillary for the following reasons: 

She is a right-winger and would fit much better in the republican party. She was pro Iraq war, and will be for any other middle eastern war if she sees it as benefiting Israel or win favor with the likes of APAC.

She is a free trader, meaning she supports the idea that business interests come first and determine our trading and foreign policy. I doubt she is bothered by the loss of jobs, or the outrageous trade deficit.

She does not like the idea that tax revenue collected  from the people should be used FOR the people.  Therefore, her "health care" proposal mandates compulsory insurance, and you know who benefits first and foremost there, and how much more it's going to cost for us to finance the insurance companies' obscene profits.

She sees nothing wrong about big business making a killling at the public trough. That's neoliberal thinking, socialism for big business and capitalism ( read no safety net) for the little guy.

Hillary is going after power and money. She does not represent the ideals of the left, and will not represent the ordinary downtrodden people of this country.

Hillary will win and she will be a great president.  The people that disagree must want Bush for a third term. 

Frank Rich from NY Times on Hillary:

Not every president can be Reagan or J.F.K. or, for that matter, Bill Clinton. But in her case, as in Mr. Gore's in 2000, the performance too often dovetails with the biggest question about her as a leader: Is she so eager to be all things to all people, so reluctant to offend anyone, that we never will learn what she really thinks or how she will really act as president?

So far her post-first-lady record suggests a follower rather than a leader. She still can't offer a credible explanation of why she gave President Bush the authority to go to war in Iraq (or why she voted against the Levin amendment that would have put on some diplomatic brakes). That's because her votes had more to do with hedging her political bets than with principle. Nor has she explained why it took her two years of the war going south to start speaking up against it. She was similarly tardy with her new health care plan, waiting to see what heat Mr. Edwards and Senator Obama took with theirs. She has lagged behind the Democratic curve on issues ranging from the profound (calling for an unequivocal ban on torture) to the trivial (formulating a response to the MoveOn.org Petraeus ad).

First of all, I don't think of Reagan as the best of Presidents. There were things I admired about him, like his way of speaking and he had a warmth about him.

I hardly think of Hillary Clinton as a war monger. She isn't quick to jump into a fire and that is good. How many times must she talk about why she voted for the war? How many times must she talk about the moveon ad? She said she doesn't condone ANY ads like that from either party. Personally, I agree with banning all torture. Like Bill Clinton said, having a basic anti-torture law is a human ethics issue and helps protect our own military if they were caught by the enemy. But then he said if it is a case, like in the tv show "24" and Jack Bauer has to torture someone in an emergency, then do it and get them to talk. But of course that is only a tv show and not real. He then said he agrees with her about no torture. You can't think about all this in black and white. Sometimes we have to break rules to get something in an emergency, but mostly we don't.

In my way of thinking she seems to have a strategy about how she is doing her campaign. So what if she waited to talk about her healthcare plan. That seems like good strategy to me. Her plan might have too many insurance companies involved in it but I'm not sure about that part. I have to look at that more. I like John Edwards also. I liked how he said Hillary should never have voted on that last vote about the Iran Republican Guard. He is really in tune with what this president is up to. I think Hillary should show people she is too and speak in public about it more. There was only one time when she said this presidency is part of a vast right-wing conspiracy. She has never mentioned that again.

Dial8, I agree with a lot of things you just said. I don't look at her because she is a woman. I find it great that a woman could be looked at seriously nowdays in a presidential election. But putting that aside, when I think of voting for her, I remember how it was in the 90's when her husband was in office and the country was seemingly put back on track. George HW's time sent the housing market into a spiral and our family suffered from that period. Unemployment was getting a good start, interest rates skyrocketed, then the houses started losing their value, then he sent troops to Kuwait (but luckily stopped there). When George HW spoke to the public he acted like there was no such thing as unemployment at that time.

I was anxious to see what Bill Clinton could do after his election. Just the idea of his wife trying to start a healthcare initiative was great. There was hope starting to bloom. He continued to hold new ideas about the economy and diplomacy despite all the hits he was getting from the right. I have no excuse for his unethical behaviours but his outward presidential job was going forward getting the country on track. That is what I think about when I think of Hillary Clinton, the job her husband and she did during that period. I do feel they both have integrity.

I know we are in even worse times now then we were then. I too am sick of the Bush's. Both Bush presidency's drew the country down a hole. But the track the Clinton's took us on was much better overall. I feel that John Edwards could do just as good a job also and maybe better but I don't see him with a big track record either or even Barack Obama. At least Hillary was actually IN the White House and I am sure she definitely knew what was going on in politics and running the government.

How could anyone EVER vote for Rudy! Apparently his own children won't even speak to him. Talk about insincerity!

I guess this is all I'll say about this since I could talk about it forever.

A warmonger is "one who urges or attempts to stir up war", according to the Webster Dictionary.

Sen. Clinton voted for the Iraq war, that counts as "urges war". But Sen. Clinton continues to lie and states repeatedly, that her vote was not to authorize war. Yet, when she was given an opportunity to vote for the "Carl Levin" legislation, which would have forced the President to seek authorization from Congress before going to war in Iraq, she did not agree. Again, she "urged" on the Iraq war.

To cement her position as a warmonger, she recently voted for war with Iran. Albeit, a cleverly worded piece of legislation by a well known warmonger, Sen. Joseph Lieberman.

Senator Clinton is a liar and a warmonger. But that is irrelevant, because those who will vote for her, care more about winning than they care about saving human lives from wars. Those who support Sen. Clinton are the same kind of people who support President Bush, the truth is irrelevant to them.

It will be interesting to see where the anti-war voters go, certainly not to Hillary Clinton who will do the same thing as the republicans. Which is take this country to another war for Israel and the neo-cons based on more lies. God help the innocent lives that will be lost in the world due to Sen. Clinton's wars, because the American voters certainly refuses to help.

While republican media is trying to push hillary as democratic nominee, choosing her would be the biggest mistake for democrats, her health insurance plan shows that she has her hands in bid drug and insurance company deep pockets.

Although she would be a good choice as VP, But John Edwards or Barak Obabama are the best candidates for this election

A few years ago, when this website went to a blog format, I asked one question. The question was "Who should we vote for in 2008? It was after John Kerry lost the election. We were all devistated about the loss. I thought by asking that question it would put some hope in looking forward. I was amazed how many people wrote they wanted Hillary Clinton to run for president. A huge conversation ensued. The thread became so long it was shut down. All they talked about was Hillary, Hillary, Hillary. And it wasn't because she is a woman. She is a strategic person with integrity. She seems just as suitable as any of the others in my opinion.

Reading this thread I see she is causing more debates again. I absolutely agree with Grinch that the ONLY similarity between her and Rudy are the "gowns".

During the John kerry campaign there was talk about Rove's reverse psychology methods. The GOP was mostly afraid of John Edwards and threw all their attacks on Kerry. Maybe it is a distraction, I don't know. Now there is this talk everywhere about how Rudy will win if Hillary takes the nomination. I still think it is a GOP psychology going on trying to take the attention away from her by thinking of other issues or fearful things, or whatever.

After Hillary won New York as Senator they realized she wasn't as"steely" as they thought. She visited all the counties in New York and people grew to know her. She became very successful for New York as Senator. We all know people in our lives that come across much different when you really don't know them but seem more human once you do get to know them.

In Response to Jim:

I'm not 100% sure what you are saying...  can you be a little more clear? I have always voted Democrat but am very cynical about party lines these days and wouldn't rule out voting for a good candidate that's not democrat which is why I label myself an independent.

In Response to Grinch: 

That's exactly my point...  again when I brought up Hillary's political integrity you pointed to elements of her personal life rather than any thing she's done politically...  There are a lot of politicians who are great "family folk" but who cares? Hillary's political history is what I question and what she'll do when she gets into office...  she's already said she won't take steps to quickly withdraw from Iraq, Her healthcare plan... which is her "big issue" gives many kickbacks to big pharmeceutical companies rather than a comprehensive plan to make sure all americans are covered...  she still hasn't ever come out and said that her vote for the war was a mistake like Edwards did...  Hillary is another poltiical hack the likes of what the Republicans have... she will not usher in the kind of change that needs to take place and that's why I can't support her. A lot of Democrats like her because "she's electable and leading in the polls" which is a total joke... everyone knows those polls are as skewed as the Iraqi civilian death counts are.

In Response to whoever posted the balloon joke:

It's funny I saw that same joke several times on the internet posted with reverse rolls... i.e. 

The man smiled and responded, "You must be a Democrat."

"I am," replied the balloonist. "How did you know?"

"Well," said the man, "you don't know where you are or where
you're going. You've risen to where you are, due to a large
quantity of hot air. You made a promise that you have no
idea how to keep, then you expect me to solve your problem.
You're in exactly the same position you were in before
we met but, somehow, now it's my fault."

I guess as a means of slander either party could insert the other side's name into the joke for comedic effect...  it is definitely funny but all partisan bickering aside I'd like to see real change in our country after the next election which is why I can't support Hillary Clinton. She is the next John Kerry...  a cold robotic politician who's only real experience is a result of her spouses success'

She is exactly who the Republicans want us to pick for them to run against... and for that reason alone I can see her winning the nomination...  and that is really sad.

Hillary is not a person that I would vote for “President”, she is very self-centered and has no sense or feeling for people who are not in her circle of activity. When she is speaking it is more like a robot programmed, ask her a question about what she said and she cannot answer because she was not programmed with a answer, I seen this in her last debate, was it because “Bill” didn’t program her with a answer? And the last thing that is a mark on her; she is a Washington insider and the complaints of the people of Capital hill isn’t a good place to be from with a recommendation.

I think she is trying to be everything “good” and will be just another Bush Democrat! All for big businesses and big money, the rest of the people will just have to do with what is left over. She is not for the people of this great America! If she gets in, the War in Iraq will go on, Healthcare will be “sacked” again, taxes will go up and what she does about America is a big Question Mark! Remember one thing, “big money” is gambling that she can be bought just like they did with Bush, and it had a pay back for them, and it will again.

The American people have become too relaxed with the corruption within our Government. We have ignored the Government spying on us, letting illegal immigrates have more freedom then we have. So! If you are satisfied with our Government today, Hillary will be your Candidate! The Media [Big money] have already declared her the winner and are throwing their money and spreading propaganda in the Media about a “fake poll” with no truth in it what so ever! And if you believe this propaganda, you’ll believe anything!

The American voters are a lot smarter than what the media is trying get us to believe in their “fake” news, maybe they should get back to telling the truth about the NEWS! And stop front-loading it with Hillary! Their Candidate!

Clinton sold out to the pharmaceutical industry and has compromised health care reform! She calls herself a Progressive Democrat! ..What a crock.   She is a opportunist democrat that has no principles!...She has sold her soul to the devil so that she could become president! ..She does not want to end the war! She wants to keep an American presence in the middle east for many years to come, and at the expense of american lives! ...And it's all for OIL!!!..She does not want the people of Iraq to own and control the oil on their land. She wants it to be controlled by the large international oil cartels She does not represent the interests of the Democratic Base of the democratic party!...She is closer to the Republican Base and the big corporate money that controls that base!The only democrat that is truly a progressive democrat is Dennis Kucinich!