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How TO GUARANTEE VICTORY IN 2008 -Move Troops to Get OSAMA
While every politician in the USA is looking to save face (and other body parts), by making suggestions for Iraq like- get out, get in,get more soldiers,more advisors,more trainers,negotiate with Iran & Syria for help,listen to Baker (who represents Saudis in Litigation vs 9/11 families-the nerve), and many other hair-brained schemes; I HAVE THE ANSWER
Whereas George W. Bush and his Republican Constituents have failed to Apprehend Osama bin Ladin,
we the Democrats hereby present our CONTRACT ON BIN LADIN. We promise to get Bin Ladin, dead or alive.
There will be only one priority of this majority party. That is, we will protect the Citizens of the United States and the Free World by focusing our efforts on eliminating the terrorists who jeopardize those freedoms. Funding for any future military efforts will necessitate that said criteria be met.
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Adam, welcome to
Adam, welcome to Democrats.com and thanks for your contribution. The apprehension or elmination of OSB is a worthwhile goal, and would point out the total ineptitutde of the BA.
On the other hand however, Colin Powell was correct when he stated, "if you break it, you own it." Although there was no national security issue involved which necessitated the illegal invasion of Iraq, the BA neocons acted on behalf of ALL Americans. Therefore, ALL Americans are responsible for repairing the damage done by these idiots and criminals.
That is one of the reasons why impeachment is so necessary, and a full disclosure of their, and our, collective complacency in this travesty is required. We owe the Iraqi people more than we could ever repay with just money, but we must make an honest attempt at full reparation for the unnecessary destruction and suffering caused by the American Government.
The first step is to immediately stop the destruction and killing. The subsequent steps towards reparations and undoing the personal and political damage caused, are the real issues that the newly-elected Congress must deal with.
These obligations go far beyond political partisanship and the 2008 elections.
I like the idea
Its needed to be done for a long time now. We have to carefully step what we do in Iraq but from what I am hearing the only new plan is to send 40,000 additional troops. I do owe the Iraqis to do everything possible to help them establish their democracy after one of our cowboy's mistakenly invaded them. However sooner or later if they don't start standing on their own for democracy or whatever other stabilizing force they can find over there I think our obligation comes to an end. I just don't understand why they can't seem to raise an army besides ours or any police. They should be more interested in their own fates.
Rich, the key to
Rich, the key to understanding the problems the Iraqis are facing in establishing a "democracy," is that they have absolutely no historical experience in self-government. Another part of the equation, is that Islam IS a form of government, as the Koran lays out rules and guidelines for all Islamic law, including monetary matters.
Saddam maintained a relatively stable government through being a despotic "strong man," and through the secular Baathist movement. He removed Islamic law, and Islamic influence, from day-to-day government and replaced it with an iron fist.
What we are seeing now, is exactly what happened in Iran after the overthrow of the Shah. One sect of Islam, the Shia, gained political control and established a theocracy. Iraq is undergoing a religious civil war, which has absolutely nothing to do with democractic government for all Iraqi citizens. The Shia are a distinct minority throughout the Islamic world, but a majority in Iraq and Iran.
There are no easy answers for either the Iraqis, or the United Nations in the current conflict. The BA has opened Pandora's Box, and hasn't a clue as to how to close it.
Not only that
He totally and completely intends on leaving it to someone else to close.
Vote Obama to get Osama
Barack would win 110% of the US voters if he accepted that platform!
Good point, nomoreneocons.
I don't know Obama's stand on this.
Has he released a statement to this effect?
I hope he has.
It's a very catchy phrase, one that everyone
would remember.
A promise to 'get' Osama is a very foolish promise...
For most of these past years, he has been hiding in the border country of Afghanistan and Pakistan. Are we prepared to go to war with Pakistan to get Osama?
The situation in Afghanistan is totally out of our control at the moment. The Taliban is back in force, the opium crop(Bush paid the Taliban 40 million to destroy the poppy crop)is a bumper crop this year.
The various warlords are slugging it out with each other, and the Pakis are sheltering Osama.
That adds up to a 'can't win situation' at the end of a very long and expensive logistics train.
In the meantime, Bush is likely to invade Iran. If the Saudi's change the oil currency from the dollar to the euro, our dollar will probably crash. If we become embroiled in Afghanistan again, and Pakistan, and Saudi, the rest of the ME will explode. We simply do not have the resources(maning, material, money)to do all those things.
Bush has simply destroyed all and any options that we might take, other than getting our troops and as much material out of Iraq as quickly as possible.
A mind once expanded can never return to its original dimensions.
Anne Hathaway: 1556-1623
The greatest derangement of the mind is to believe in something because one wishes it to be so.
Louis Pasteur
How can
We raise all the troops? They are talking about more troops as many as 40,000 in Iraq. If they send them there and maintain levels in Afganistan how could we put any ground troops in Iran? Wouldn't that finally require a draft?
We keep hearing how we don't put any faith in the Iraqis, but what about the Iranians? I heard on the radio today how they went to the polls and voted in an election that was as sound of a defeat for Ahmadinejad as the mid-terms were for Bush. It said it was mainly caused by the young who voted in huge numbers. Now we want to go in there and kill thousands of them too? Is that really the solution? I think the Iranians are tired of all this talk of war and war also. Their seems to be at least a mini-enlightenment going on there. Why demolish that with bombs because we don't like Ahma- oh whatever.
It is just disturbing to hear people in a supposedly enlightened society instantly clamoring to go bomb the hell out of someone as the only solution to a problem. I think the Iranian people are going through change and will make it hard for Ahma- whoever to make as many problems as he supposedly wants. It seems a lot more sensible to invest in the young of that country and try and help encourage real foward change in that country and not just more death. Death has never solved anything.
I fear if our leaders don't start looking at the truth and the realities of this "War on Terror" and start enacting their policies towards what is best- not best for saving face- that we are going to have problems down the road. We simply must forget the "winning" and "losing" the "War on Terror" because in reality these are abstract terms which really mean nothing at all. What would ever happen to make them say we "Won"? How many things could happen that would make them say we "Lost"? The latter has more for sure. The former has none.
But what I mostly fear is that our people will not wake up and realize that this is not a War on the scale of WWII. WWIII hasn't started yet, but if we continue this radical policy we could very well cause it. The young people of Iran are NOT our enemies they have voted against their President too. Just like record industries build up hype for no-talent stars, and make them into phenomenon, we have had this "War on Terror" shoved down our throats as real, when it is just a reckless policy.
What I really want more than impeachment first, but am just as unlikely to get is a full re-accounting. We need to completely and independently investigate every occurence not only in the Iraq war, but this whole "War on Terror" starting with the day it all started 9-11, including the switch from al-Queda in Afganistan and Osama bin Laden to Iraq and Saddam Hussein. All of it is smaller pieces of a bigger puzzle that needs to be re-assmebled to see what it really looks like. We need it all to be part of the official record. I believe if that happened impeachment would be favored by about 80% of Americans.
As American taxpayers we are footing the bill for all this "War" on "Islamo-facists". Today another $100 billion dollars goes down the tubes courtesy of George W. Bush and our lawmakers who voted with him. What if we were asked to give $100 billion to rebuild New Orleans or make sure every un-insured poor child in America could see the doctor as needed. Why the "Conservatives" would scream in outrage, "A person should make his own way", "they'll be raising our taxes for sure", "I don't know what makes these Liberals think they should be able to spend my money", but its OK to to wipe and flush with $100 billion dollar bills????? And that on top of how many hundreds of BILLIONS? (sighs). Sorry to rant you just think and it spreads....
Thanks kwahlf , however
I'd prefer for it to be a Special Operation, and not a war by troops. In and out , get Osama, get out, that kind of thing... no civilian or "collateral damage" (damn I hate that phrase!)
If only Bush had done that after 9/11 instead of this "War on Terra" crap... oh well, so much for woulda, coulda, shoulda.
You're right,nomoreneocons.
It would have to be a covert operation,
given the high level of security surrounding OBL.
I don't think Georgie is too concerned about finding him.
Maybe he never was to begin with.
Georgie porgie , puppet for NeoCONS
no , he just follows orders from PNAC/AIPAC, quite frankly.
America and Americans' interests don't matter to Bushie at all !
good point
Now take all that you have said, and think of this. Have you ever heard of the New World Order? Counsel of Foreign Relations? Illuminate? Nothing happens without a reason or a purpose. I think that what Bush is doing in a semi-preconcieved plan that is unfolding before our eyes. The UN wants the US to fall under their rule; world court, world bank, world police and ect. Now, I am a conspiricy theorist at heart and what I know or think I know, I have learned it from books and other media sources. Our sate of mind here in the US is not for us to be controlled by the UN or to have one world money, bank or police but if for some reason, like the market crashing and the only means to get out of a depression is to change our money and or another world war, then it would be easier for the American people to swallow. The last great example of this was WWII and the Korean War and the Vietnam Conflict.
DParsons: The New World Order was first brought to ...
our attention when George Herbert Walker Bush used the phrase in a campaign speech. The New World Order has been transmogrified into something called the PNAC(Project For The New American Century), a 90 page booklet written by many of the Repugnants now in power. It was presented by them to Clinton...and he rejected it out of hand. If you google PNAC, the document will come up...pay particular attention to page 51...it spells out exactly what Bush is doing now.
As to China, the younger Prescott Bush is the head of the Chinese Chamber of Commerce in Washington DC. The Bush family has huge holdings in China. The grandfather of Daddy Bush was Hitler's financial wizard here in the US up to a couple of years into WWII. This stuff is factual, not imaginary.
I have no idea what books you have read, but you really don't know much about the past, present, or possible futures
A mind once expanded can never return to its original dimensions.
Anne Hathaway: 1556-1623
The greatest derangement of the mind is to believe in something because one wishes it to be so.
Louis Pasteur