It is not about revenge at all. It is about holding criminals accountable for their actions. The US Constitution provides the mechanism for this accountability, so why is it "wasteful" to uphold the Constitution?

Saddam killed far fewer people than Dubya and the neocons in Iraq, and he has been sentenced to death by hanging. Shouldn't our government hold its officials to the same standard of accountability if we are to be a "role model" for democracy? This is not to mention the Constitutional abuses to our basic freedoms by these criminals.

All of the things you mentioned need to be accomplished as well, and impeachment hearings can be prioritized to fit the agenda.

Justice is never trivial, and criminals should never be excused just because it is inconvenient to bring charges against them.

Has everyone gone insane? Let Bush the butcher go? STOP IT!!!!

Bush must be impeached! He has committed more crimes against the Constitution than any other president in history!

This is NOT about political capital, but the rule of law!

You are DEAD-ASS wrong!

"If being liberal means critical thinking and informed dissent, instead of blind obedience and ignorant nationalism, then I am all for it!"

do not have a choice about impeaching Bush. Forget it. It is going to happen! It must happen! Across europe editorials are celebrating for us and with us. Can we face the world and tell them we are going to let Bush's crimes against mankind, his lies, his corruption, etc., etc., go by the board?

If we are to ever look the citizens of the world in the eye again, we must send the message that what George Bush did and is still doing is not what America is about!

There is no room for equivocation on this issue. So please get aboard the impeachment train or get the hell off the rails so you don't get run down! That is the message we are sending Bush, our Republican leaders, our Democratic leaders, and the world. Tommye

Kinda makes you wanna dig up Tom Jefferson and beat the crap out of him, doesn't it? 

Conservative. A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, as distinguished from a Liberal, who wishes to replace them with others. 

~Ambrose Bierce, 1842-1914, American Author, Editor, Journalist.

actions by the Republicans "mischievious," however, makes me think that perhaps you are from a different planet than the one the rest of us live on.

Your tax dollars for the rest of your life, by the way, are long gone, my friend, owed to China by the billions! You have nothing to protect in that department. PaPa Bear and his mischievious little baby bears "ate it all up!"
As Tennessee Ernie sang, "I owe my soul to the company store," and so do we.

Who can possibly have faith in a new Democratic agenda that leapfrogs over the worst crimes by public officials in the history of this country? Impeachment is the first essential act on the Democrat's agenda and everything else will flow from that clean slate.

Thank you. Tommye

word. Check out some of the long-term polls - no one likes her! We keep putting the same near-dead horses back in yet another race. Put them out to pasture and get some new blood in the running.

We would be fortunate to have a man like Barack Obama in the White House. He is intelligent and he has a soul. When he looks in a mirror, his reflection stares back at him, unlike the soulless types we keep on, keep on, keep on electing! Tommye

Bill and others: Do you think that impeachment can be carried out in a way that it won't dominate the next two years? I believe impeachhment needs to happen and that Bush and Dork need to be help to account for their crimes, but to me there are other things that need to be done first. As a starting point we need (in no particular order) an Iraq solution, universal healthcare, an increased minimum wage, restoration of civil rights, an end to improper election practices, etc etc etc. Do you think we can get those (or at least some of them) done AND carry out impeachment proceedings in the next two years? I just worry about the next few years passing by and nothing but impeachment being achieved.

Call me a cynic, but I personally don't think we'll ever see impeachment happen. I think we will have some investigations and hearings and then the ranking dems will squelch it and drive congress towards achieving some of the other stuff I mentioned above, which I think they believe resonates more with the voting public. Again, I don't think that is a good thing (impeachment needs to happen at some point) but its what I think we will see.

That we need to hang some serious accomplishments up before we start impeachment. I am not saying the BA shouldn't be impeached, but as pointed out by RenoDem it will dominate the next two years. All our agenda will be pushed aside and ignored. I don't want to have to go into the elections two years from now having only accomplished impeachment. We need to act on some of the more bread and butter issues first. That is just my opinion though.

Not one of these things you speak of is likely to be fixed without impeachment, and certainly not even a majority of them could be. Not just while this administration is in power, but for all time to follow!

While individuals like these, and not just these ones but any that may ever follow, are in power they will always use every resource, every ounce of influence, every waking breath to prevent any and all of these things from ever being "Fixed” (providing we do not investigate for impeachment), and with their cheating ways they are very likely to succeed! This is not to mention the fact that even just a handful of these things could take a great many years to fix, far beyond any realistic chance to consider impeachment proceedings. If you read the forum statement here: http://www.democrats.com/node/10952 It makes it quite clear that without impeachment it leaves the doors open for any and all that follow to continue to prevent and stop any "Fixing" of any thing you have mentioned, and to create whole new problems none of us have even dreamed of yet!

Additionally, to further prevent any similar abuse of power and to allow such things you have mentioned to be "Fixed" at all, a clear and obvious precedence, or 'message' if you will, needs to be made that these acts are NOT ACCEPTABLE, and will not be tolerated. The alternative is far worse than trying and failing as not even trying makes a clear and profound statement that all these things that have happened are perfectly acceptable (which is what we are currently experiencing), and leaves plenty of room for much more horrendous and unthinkable things (which is what we will continue to experience while we do not). Only with that precedence of impeachment in place, could we ever make any real attempt to fix any of these things, and of course this can only be achieved by following through with an investigation for impeachment.

With the fact you cannot fix all those things without this one thing, how could you think any of those things are even remotely as important as impeachment?

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To fix the multitude of different problems, think of it this way: Without impeachment we would be working against the idea that every thing that was done (that caused or are these problems) was acceptable and OK, but with impeachment we would be working with the idea that everything he did was proven illegal IN COURT and these things could be easily overturned in a flash.
Even just going through the investigation for impeachment would make every single one of those things easier to get done mostly because of two factors: They would all be officially in question as illegal, and the investigations would coincide with each other and would have two sets of investigators working to solve each problem.

I got the email for impeachforchange in my inbox yesterday. I think the hard thing to
do as a democrat in this time is to try to balance all of the rhetoric from both sides
of the group. I'm a middle of the road democrat. Yes I believe that Bush is bad. I
think his policies are terrible and that his cowboy diplomacy is ruining the world's
opinion of us. I also think that there were many things that happened during his administration that needs to be closely examined for fraud. But I shudder when someone from the far left wears a shirt that proclaims that Bush is no better than Hitler. I don't like Bush but I'm not going to make that comparison. If we are going to effect real change we need to be careful of stuff like this. Because in my mind it brings division in our ranks. And also it brings down our credibility. If we are going to do this we have to be united as one body. Pelosi has her own ideas about how the country should be run but she will compromise and table those so that she can unify the party. One of the reasons that the republican's lost this election in my mind was because they forgot that. They were so far right that the people who are middle of the road conservative felt terrible and voted democrat. Even my mom who voted for Nixon voted for our democratic challenger in this election!

In my view impeachment is the same deal. I remember sitting on the sidelines when I was a republican when the far right was talking about impeachment proceedings against Clinton. Now I didn't like him. But I don't think his misdeeds would warrant that. I also thought that impeachment of this president would do more harm than good to America itself. It would divide those that loved Clinton and those that abhorred him. I also found it funny btw that those republicans that questioned everything he did in office were the same ones who said, "You can't question President Bush, He's the president!!"

Anyway I believe impeachment now will do the same thing. Why not bring about something amazing like free healthcare for every American or extremely low cost college for every child? This in my mind would do FAR more than an impeachment proceeding against Bush ever would. When the civil war was over Abraham Lincoln wanted to unite this divided country. He did NOT want any grudges to be carried out or enacted Against those that held rifles and imprisoned their cousins and brothers. He wanted strictly to concentrate on rebuilding this great nation. “…With Malice toward none, and Charity toward all.” Unfortunately he was assassinated before this could be accomplished. We should not forget what he was trying to do.

I’m not saying investigations are not warranted because they are. Especially when it comes to corruption. But I think impeachment would destroy this country.

Billions of our tax dollars are being spent each and every day on this illegal war and you are worried about a few million going toward an impeachment trial?

I am hearing this same specious argument here and there that now that the "good guys" rule the roost, all is well in D.C. and it is best just to ignore the past and let Pied Piper Pelosi guide us into an Eden full of buttercups and lollipops and free beer for all.

The future is suddenly brighter, there is no doubt about that. Nancy Pelosi's "First 100 Days" plan is a good one, to be sure. Ignoring the past, however, is as naive as a victim of domestic assault not wanting to press charges. The result will be the same. You are just going to get beaten again. It is not a matter of "if", but "when" - maybe next time to death.

Crimes have been committed. Not just a few. Very, very many. Not just the break-in of a campaign office or a President getting lipstick on his cigar in the Oral Office. People have died because of these crimes - hundreds of thousands of people. Some of these crimes are the very same ones for which Nazis were convicted and put to death. Our national treasury has been looted. Our international reputation is in shambles. The Constitution has had its throat cut and is lying in the gutter with no promise of a single Democratic Senator bending a knee to save its life.

The investigative work of John Conyers, Jr. is already well underway. The case for impeachment is rock solid. Conyers will head the Judiciary. The Judiciary with full subpoena power will rapidly confirm the crimes we are already aware of and is likely to uncover many more.

We are a nation of laws. No American is above the law. The appropriate remedy for federal office holders who violate the law is impeachment. This isn't an optional step. This is prosecution of the law deeply seated in the Constitution of the United States.

To not enforce these laws is to set ourselves up for history to repeat itself in short order. To not undo the proposterously overgrown Executive authority is to invite some future President - ANY future President - to snap his of her fingers and become a virtual dictator in a heartbeat.

The Pelosi-led Senate will continue to advance a positive agenda as the House hearings quickly recommend impeachment and bring it to the floor for a vote. A simple majority voting to recommend impeachment to the Senate will be easily attained after the public finally is apprised of the full devious intent of these traitors and DEMANDS that their Representives vote "yes" on the bill that will replace H.R. 635 - which died with the end of the 109th Congress. Cheney will quickly resign for "health reasons" in a vain attempt to be convicted while Bush still holds the power to pardon him after his inevitable conviction(s). Bush will folllow shortly and we will pressure President Pelosi NOT to pardon under any circumstances any of them. Senate Republicans will be faced with a very tough choice as the world is watching them:

a). Fight impeachment and continue to be revealed as rubberstamping, lickspittle enablers of War Criminals who were intent on a heavy-handed crackdown and takeover of all things American.

b). Play the "I had no idea all of this was going on" card to desperately distance themselves and hang onto their position of power through the next election cycle.

Leaders have stepped up and are rushing to exerminate this White House infestation.

Follow or get the hell out of the way.

Mikael Rudolph

Mineapolis Organizer: World Can't Wait-Drive Out the Bush Regime
Co-Founder: ImpeachforPeace.org
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