The Amish "...captured the hearts..." of those Americans who have hearts, but do you think they captured the neocon, rightwing, fascist-fundamentalist hearts? IF Democrats ragain some measure of power and control again in this country, we must never forget that our Republican oppononts think of themselves as our enemies, and they cannot ever be trusted. The original meaning of the word 'radical' didn't mean crazy, it meant to change things at the roots. The Democrats must be that kind of radical, and always be ready to govern from a position of strength first.

Hi and thanks for the comment.
I thought I put the importance of POWER in my message. I don't want radical to include the inclusion of "hate." Hate, is a bitter thing that tends to consume th soul with bitterness. I am bitter against the last six years of George W. Bush, Dick Cheney and Karl Rove, and I do loath what they stand for, but I can't as a rational, God-fearing person, hate them in the sense that I want to remove them from the face of the earth. Time and history will do that for us easily enough, just maybe not soon enough in some ways.

Let's just IMPEACH them and try to get back to doing the business of running our country, serving it's citizens and doing our part in making the world a safer place to live.

I do understand your frustrations as I too have them daily. Tell all of your friends to get out to vote on November 7th and be sure to wear BLUE!!

Thanks
Tim Porter

Your's is correct, but it can also mean to use extreme measures
to change things.

http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/radical

Latin radic-, radix root -- more at ROOT
1 : of, relating to, or proceeding from a root: as a (1) : of or growing from the root of a plant (2) : growing from the base of a stem, from a rootlike stem, or from a stem that does not rise above the ground b : of, relating to, or constituting a linguistic root c : of or relating to a mathematical root d : designed to remove the root of a disease or all diseased and potentially diseased tissue
2 : of or relating to the origin : FUNDAMENTAL
3 a : marked by a considerable departure from the usual or traditional : EXTREME b : tending or disposed to make extreme changes in existing views, habits, conditions, or institutions c : of, relating to, or constituting a political group associated with views, practices, and policies of extreme change d : advocating extreme measures to retain or restore a political state of affairs
4 slang : EXCELLENT, COOL
- rad·i·cal·ness noun

Of course, the fourth definition is 'cool'.

I love looking up definitions of words.

It one thing to get elected. It is another staying elected. If the party takes congress it be the result of a protest vote. If the party isn’t smart it will become the target of a protest vote in two years

*Work on impeaching George W. Bush and Cheney, by all means?

There is no case. Someone tell me what the case is, the one backed with concrete evidence. An impeachment process is like a court of law if Dems aren’t careful they’ll be painted as trying to punish Bush for being “too aggressive on terror.”

*Work on restoring Constitutional protections to all of us?

Careful ! “Constitutional protections” are becoming code words for protecting terrorists.

*Work on bringing the troops home from Iraq?

Everyone agrees that early withdraw will have negative consequences. If it happens as a result of a Dems victory they will get the blame, and Bush will get off.

*Start thinking about how we explain the terrorist celebrating our getting in office!

The only chance the Dems have is to become more hawkish than the neo-cons.

“Little by little, the face of the country changes because of the men we admire.” – “Wildhorse” Homer Bannon 1964

Hi and thanks for responding to my topic.
I do have to agree, when I'm thinking rationally, that Impeachment would create too much unnecessary havoc within a country already so divided and with both Houses currently doing virtually nothing "we the people" elected them to do, that it WOULD do more harm than good.

Although, we do like to think about getting our "revenge." Just think about how the majority of honest tax-paying people wanted to see Kenneth Lay go to jail.... for a very, very long time. Maybe the Amish people and their recent tragedy could yet teach ALL of us (regardless of which party we prefer) that forgiveness IS the the "morally" right thing to do. But if we take that road, without first, making a strong "ETHICAL" statement about how much what this administration has done to politically bankrupt the POWER of the United States to these people, then we run the risk of allowing our larger enemies, Al Qaeda, Bin Laden, North Korea, Iran, Venezuela and others think us a bunch of "meek" cowards.

However things come out after November 7th, the Democrats MUST and I do mean MUST begin showing it's backbone, and exercising it's own right to POWER.

It' great hearing from you, and don't forget to wear BLUE on November 7th.

Now for my laugh of the day. I've been trying to encourage some of my female friends to wear "full" skirts with BLUE undergarments so they can easily hike their skirts up and flash a BLUE butt at the GOP poll workers.

Make it a good one and get all of your friends out to vote.
Timothy Porter

Why are so many Democrats afraid of impeachment ? It smacks of fear to me, like " oh, don't make the Republicans mad." To not make the tyrants who are killing our Constitution accountable, is to let the deadly disease remain at the heart of our government. Impeachment isn't a sin, it's a tool to be used for surgery to rid the body-politic of a life-threatening scourge,...the ' cancer on the presidency ', remember ? Only this time the cancer IS the president.

I too, would like to see an Impeachment process begun, if we win big in next weeks' election, but we have to proceed with that using the "POWER" we will have in the victory. If we proceed out of anger, resentment or anything less than the legitimate and determined will of a majority of voters on November 7th (those who stay at home and don't participate in the election also have a voice)then we will be acting from an attitude of "arrogance."

I would have for us to do something stupid like that. Aren't WE sick and tired of the arrogance and "cowboy" tactics Mr. Bush and Karl Rove use? Please, don't bring US (the US) down to their level, OK?

Now something positive for you. Let me introduce you to a BLUE jingle I made up for the BLUE REVOLUTION:

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Blue, blue .... what can it do for you?
Can it help with your pain, can it help you regain?

Blue, blue .... what can it do for you?
Let's turn out the force, we're "staying the course"

Blue, blue .... what can it do for you?
Let's make a great push, we can overcome Bush!

Blue, blue .... what can it do for you?
Go vote, you know we must, for there's no one else to trust.

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When all is said and done, "we will NOT cut and RUN"

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When legitimacy is true, we’re for the red, white and BLUE!

Blue, blue .... what can it do for you?
On November 7th, I will be BLUE, what about YOU?

Let's get out there to VOTE, and take back Democracy.
Timothy Porter

I feel is the of course an absolutely desirable act, but i think it should be directed at Dick Cheney, not Bush. The best way to see the end of modern neo con Republicanism is to have Bush continue to sink it himself. He is doing a remarkable job so far. And if we impeach the imperial chimp, the antichrist (cheney) replaces him. We need to save the effort to be rid of the greater evil.

Here is a plan that would work, with or without impeachment. I think honestly the Democrats should impeach, but i think that by not impeaching they can score some political points. If they actually act like representatives of the people, and not like career politicians/partisans, they can force the hand of the Republicans through legislation.
If the Democrats sponsor legislation that is based in common sense and for the greater good, legislation that highlights the plus side of their platform (health care, social security, fiscal responsibility, supporting the troops and veterans, middle class tax relief, etc.) they will be able to force the Republicans to make some really tough votes. Basically, the Democrats can sponsor bills that help people, make them look good, and make the Republicans look bad if they vote against them. Once the votes are complete, the Democrats can then use said votes to highlight how out of touch Republicans are with regular people, and they are set for 2008. If the Republicans manage to obstruct the bills, the Democrats can then say that they were there for working families and that it is the Republicans fault, and if the Republicans vote no but the bill passes anyway, they have a platform in which to use on a person by person, vote by vote, race by race basis.
For example, "Rep. Elephant voted against body armor for our troops. (Rep. Elephant doesn't support the troops.)" "Rep. Values voted against tax relief for middle class families. (Rep. Values only cares about the ultra-rich)." "Rep. So and So voted against paying people making minimum wage X cents an hour. (Rep So and So hates poor people)" The attack ads will write themselves without having to resort to lying or hitting below the belt. Not that there is anything wrong with hitting below the belt; it's politics, not boxing.

the democrats don't have enough votes in the House, and certainly not enough votes in the Senate, where you need 66 votes to remove from office. If or when the dems take control of the House, most of the congressman are from pretty conserative areas in Indiana, Kentucky and Ohio. Don't count on them to be in lock step about impeachment. If they do it, the GOP will have the congress and Senate back in 08 with ease.

you have hit the mark. Work for the people, or you could have a serious backlash like the GOP did in 98. Most people don't like Bush, but thier is a very serious difference between not liking, and impeachment in a war time atmosphere.