SOUTHERN BORDER FIXED:
Democrats would eliminate its main cause, Illegal Job, by:
1) Raising the minimum wage so that Americans police the Market for FREE.
2) Responding to the above Americans informing on Illegal Employers, by instituting massive fines and criminal prosecution.
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Republicans can, if they like, repeal some of the top 1% tax cuts and use the money to:
1) Place guards, hand in hand, along the entire Southern Border 24 hours a day, 365 days a year.
If you wish to save that money consider the Democratic Proposal above.
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If you are a Righty or a Lefty please stop listening to the shit heads who manipulate us and just pick a cure. And for Christ's sake (literally) please don't let them get you to argue over your fundamental personality traits: Empathy on the Left and Individualism on the Right. We already know we disagree on that.
ONE PROBLEM: Once the cheap labor is gone, business owners will pass the increased costs onto the consumer. This will hurt the majority of professions who have not gotten a real raise in decades as opposed to top tier professions who have gotten a 150% raise. Since those professions worked for less before, it is likely they will continue at thier labors at their old pay (adjusted for inflation).
Spreading the last decades raise around a bit would then not put a break on the Economy but instead create a boom with capital pouring into the hands of the vast majority.
To offset then the increased prices due to the end of cheap labor I would propose:
- Zero Tax on the first ~$60,000 made by every American. (For revenue neutrality ~39% on additional dollars. A little more at first, a little less after the economic boom kicks in).
Potential Economic power houses reside throughout the population, not just within present day Aristocratic lines. They need capital to grow the Economy. Pro Worker is Pro Growth at this point in history.
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By the way, there are only
By the way, there are only ever two questions when speaking of Economics:
1) Efficiency concerns.
2) Ethics.
I argue in the opening post about the Efficiency of a lower tax for the vast majority with an attendant increase for top tier professions. I did not address the ethics of such but I am happy to speak to it if any poster has reservations.
I need not make an appeal to any arguments of the form "its the right thing to do."
Jim, thanks for reducing
Jim, thanks for reducing this controversy to its root causes and resulting ramifications.
In the past, Republicans were happy with high unemployment rates because that led to lower wages. The neoconservatives, beginning with Raygun, have tweaked that strategy to allow lower unemployment rates while repressing collective worker representation. The economic result is the same however, because more workers are realizing less real income, while the aristocrats' profits are skyrocketing.
The actual result of this imbalanced neocon policy has been a "strong" corporate economy which masks a depressed consumer economy. When the inevitable credit burden began causing too many bankruptcies, the neocons took action to, yet again, protect the wealthy from the underpaid.
As you point out, a true "shared pain, shared gain" economic boom only happens when more money is in the hands of the workers/consumers.
Well said Bill. Now let's
Well said Bill.
Now let's see if we can get people to address the points.
Stop the Republicans' Border Fence Act!!! (POST MOVED)
The Post below was origianlly here by anationofimmigrants
This began an exchange
This began an exchange between AnnF and me, also found here.
That THREAD has been locked but comments can be made here.
(The original post on that THREAD did bother me because it did not provide a framework for debate. It worried me that it might be a Republican way of getting the dogs to once again fight. After briefly looking at the site I felt that for the time being I'll assume the site is just in its early stages so I reserve comment for now.)
Three things folks:
Three things folks when you get your emotional batteries a running:
1) Poor slobs do not have your money. Rich slobs do. (You worked for too little and the profit went to them. That is how one gets rich. No other way.)
2) We are ALL "bums". Unless you start in the woods naked you owe your standard of living to slaves, past and present. How much welfare have you received? (And you know its a trap;)
3) Please really read what is said here. We are not discounting the problem. We are not discounting people who are directly affected, using any reasonable means necessary of ridding themselves of nuisances or THUGS, including using their legal status.
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I have to tell anyone who cares, this issue has truly disheartened me.
Conservatives used these near slaves to make a buck. Abuse at the top abounds. Suddenly, with the GOP in free fall, this becomes an issue for the slave masters!?!?!? Suddenly they get to be hero's by bitching and moaning about those they exploit? They get off scott free and more. They are advancing.
In the end you will pay for a Wall AND higher prices if the Conservative plan keeps advancing.
Any LOCAL "wall" AFTER a Democratic Plan is in place is a completely different debate. That is not a debate I would enter in the way I enter the debate for a National Plan.
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The median American salary is 1.6 inches of 100 dollar bills per year.
The bottom 99% make only 15 inches per year max.
The top 1% make up to 30 miles high of 100 dollar bills per year.
The entire Republican Machine is based on getting the 2 inch and lower crowd to bitch about one another. We can solve the Illegal Worker problem without ruining the union we must come into to effect change for the vast majority.
And let me be frank: I'm happy to wear my heart on my sleeve but it seems as if not everyone has one. The alternative that is sorely needed is what our parents knew: You're a f@@@ing idiot for bitching about fellow workers when the boss is laughing all the way to the bank. (This applies in part to the Illegal Jobs debate. I would also encourage all Democrats to now use this designation as well).
It is so obvious that this
It is so obvious that this link is the entry for a Mexican lobby and I am not wasting my time with Mexicans living here and taking money from Fox.
Ann, it seems like you have a problem
with "Mexicans", period. Am I right?
How many Mexican-Americans live here, legally?
How many have obtained citizenship, or are starting
the long process of obtaining it?
How many have lived here for decades, contributing to our
economy and society as a whole?
The answer is- quite a few, especially here in California.
Do not lump them all together.
It's prejudicial, against our rules and if it continues,
you will be banned from this blog.
A Mexican lobby = Mexicans
A Mexican lobby = Mexicans living here taking money from Fox to impede our normal government function which is to support US citizens' best interests. I am not posting in your blog Node 10031 any more.
WTH?
This doesn't even make sense- no link, no source of information,
just racist rhetoric.
AnnF, you are gone.
Ann,Do you even know when
Ann,
Do you even know when one person is posting to you or another? Your blanket statements extend to bitching about threads as if ONE person is posting there.
Further, you manage to weave your xenophobia into threads dealing with Republican Pedophilia while ALSO managing to bash Democrats via Homophobic and unamerican rhetoric!:
On top of that you make personal attacks at the first counters to your faddish bitching about the poor guy (all Rush Limbaugh crap). When you've gained a bit of humilty consider rejoining us.
In the meantime your publication privileges have been revoked, for among other things, being wholly unresponsive to Democratic Proposals.
Next go around, please answer questions put to you. To be fair, you showed empathy in your abortion post, and a Democratic stance in your Health Care post.
Ann obviously doesn't know that the...
Spanish Flag flew over California before the Pilgrims landed at Plymouth Rock and went into the Bean business.
A mind once expanded can never return to its original dimensions.
Anne Hathaway: 1556-1623
The greatest derangement of the mind is to believe in something because one wishes it to be so.
Louis Pasteur
Well at least we saved her
Well at least we saved her from "wasting her time" here.
She sounds like
A Kook.To be realistic most of the fervernt hard core killer repugs are not close to being fully loaded. She is someone who sees America as belonging to the face she sees in the mirror, not the million upon millions of people who came here. Texas was Mexico. We took it. They never left. Now they want to come and check out their friendes in north Mexico...the border states.
I gotta add this. I live in Easton Pa. A very diverse and historic community. We have every sort of ethnic variety known, and every sub type....and we really no shit all get along. I have had spanish of all sort work for me... Islanders...South Americans..and they all to a single man were honest and hard working. And so are the Lebanese, The Blacks, Etc.....And I might add many of these men are still in the community and say hi when I pass. Most are now business owners or shop keepers of some type, and hold their families and friends close. When we support these people(immigrants), we are the ones to benefit.
Ann is a xenophobe, and a
Ann is a xenophobe, and a rascist. She is so filled with hatred, that she can't see the ignorance and folly of her statements.
She is also most likely a troll, and either a Libertarian or a neoconservative Republican posing as a Democrat.
A Texas rancher's take on 'the wall'- It's a stupid idea.
It will cut off a much needed source of water.
---and he's a Republican, folks!
This from Los Angeles Times
http://tinyurl.com/kjvre
Those who want to enter the US have been hopping over, tunneling under, and
bypassing walls ever since they were erected.
If you want to see a solution, read Jim's OP above.
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A distraction tactic
We all know that this fence isn't going to keep people from crossing the border illegally, and anyone who honestly thinks that people will just magically stop trying to cross has never heard of the Berlin Wall, which still didn't keep people from crossing and was much smaller.
The only reason that this is even being considered is because a construction project of this magnitute will make a lot of Republican politicians and even more donors a hell of a lot of money. This is just another way for them to steal your hard earned tax money and give it to some company who will no doubt violate all sorts of labor laws to get it built cheap to maximize profit.
If you personally wish to benefit, buy stock in whatever companies are involved. At the very least, follow them...I guarantee they will go up.