"Loyal Bushie" Judge Dismisses Plame Lawsuit

So who is Judge John D. Bates, the judge who threw out Valerie Plame's lawsuit against Dick Cheney, Karl Rove, Scooter Libby, and Richard Armitage?

A "loyal Bushie," of course.

  • Deputy Independent Counsel for the Whitewater investigation from 1995 to mid-1997, where he forced the White House to release thousands of documents related to Hillary Clinton's conversations about Whitewater.
  • Appointed as Federal judge in December 2001 by George W. Bush
  • In December 2002, he dismissed a lawsuit filed by the GAO against Cheney over access to his energy task force documents, claiming the GAO lacked authority to sue the VP.
  • In February 2006, he was appointed by Chief Justice Roberts to serve as a judge of the United States Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court - replacing a judge who resigned in protest over the illegal NSA wiretapping. It's a safe bet Bates has been a reliable rubber stamp allowing Bush's NSA to spy on millions of Americans without a warrant.
  • In August 2006, Bates declared it acceptable for Bush to sign a bill that had not been passed by Congress.

And why did Bates reject Plame's lawsuit? Because after Joe Wilson told the truth about Niger, the Bush Administration was allowed to do anything it wanted to get Wilson - including outing Wilson's wife.

The alleged means by which defendants chose to rebut Mr. Wilson's comments and attack his credibility may have been highly unsavory. But there can be no serious dispute that the act of rebutting public criticism, such as that levied by Mr. Wilson against the Bush administration's handling of prewar foreign intelligence by speaking with members of the press, is within the scope of defendants' duties as high-level Executive Branch officials.

Unsavory??? Within the scope of their duties??? The defendants exposed a covert CIA agent and endangered her life, destroyed her network of spies trying to stop the spread of WMD's to terrorists and endangered our Nation - and may have gotten some of her spies murdered. That's not unsavory - that's treason.

Joe Wilson, always the patriot, puts national security ahead of his family's security:

"This case is not just about what top government officials did to Valerie and me." Wilson said. "We brought this suit because we strongly believe that politicizing intelligence ultimately serves only to undermine the security of our nation. Today's decision is just the first step in what we have always known would be a long legal battle and we are committed to seeing this case through." 

But Valerie Plame will never get justice - and our nation will never be safe - by relying on the Bush-controlled Federal courts.

It is way past time for Congress to Impeach Dick Cheney.

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Wilson's Lawyer Responds; Judge Ruled on Cheney-Enron, Too

Melanie Sloan, Legal Counsel for Joe and Valierie Wilson, Responds to Dismissal of Civil Suit

Washington, DC -- Earlier today, District of Columbia District Court Judge John D. Bates dismissed Joe and Valerie Wilsons' civil suit against Vice President Dick Cheney, presidential aide Karl Rove, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby and Richard Armitage. While Judge Bates recognized that the Wilsons' claims "pose important questions relating to the propriety of actions undertaken by our highest government officials," he dismissed their suit on a threshold legal issue: that there is no constitutional remedy available to them.

While the Wilsons' lawyers are reviewing the decision, they anticipate filing an appeal. Melanie Sloan, executive director of Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington ("CREW"), one of the Wilsons' lawyers, said today, "While we are obviously very disappointed by today’s decision, we have always expected that this case would ultimately be decided by a higher court." Sloan continued, "We disagree with the court's holding and intend to pursue this case vigorously to protect all Americans from vindictive government officials who abuse their power for their own political ends."

Stay updated at: http://www.wilsonsupport.org/

Judge John D. Bates is a very loyal Bushie. He was the judge who decided Cheney's refusal to turn over to the General Accounting Office (GAO) -- Congress’ investigative arm -- the names of individuals he, and other members of the energy task force, met with last spring as they formulated the administration’s position on energy matters according to Renee L. Giachino, General Counsel, Center for Individual Freedom.

Claiming that the legislative branch is intruding into the executive branch’s deliberative process, the Vice President argues that releasing the names would have a "chilling effect" on the President’s ability to get honest advice without having to worry about disclosure. President Bush echoed that sentiment, saying the GAO’s demand is "an encroachment on the executive branch’s ability to conduct business."

According to the GAO, the White House is hiding behind a vague privilege of confidentiality as a stall tactic while at least 10 congressional committees investigate the Enron debacle. Critics pushing for disclosure argue that the list of individuals will most likely reveal internal conflicts of interest that will prove domination by special interests in the formulation of energy policy. Critics further maintain that President Bush established the energy task force, chaired by the Vice President and comprised of full-time government employees, in an effort to avoid the open meetings and public access requirements of the Federal Advisory Committee Act ("FACA"). FACA exempts from its broad disclosure requirements an advisory committee comprised of government individuals. This exemption can be negated, however, if the role played by non-government individuals changed the make-up of the energy group.

Access disputes have a long history in American politics, dating back to President George Washington’s debate with the First Congress over the extent to which the House of Representatives could call for papers and persons. While most previous such disputes have resulted in compromise, this one appears to be heading for a legal showdown over the proper role of the legislature balanced against the President’s power to withhold information pursuant to some privilege. At the moment, the White House has not yet claimed "executive privilege," but rather is relying on the common law deliberative process privilege or the "privilege of secrecy." The stakes are obviously much higher if the constitutionally-based executive privilege is invoked.

The doctrine of executive privilege, while not explicitly stated in the Constitution, is founded upon the basic principles contained within Article II, Section 1, Clause 1 that provides the President with the right to receive confidential communications from his aides and advisors. This privilege, which belongs to the President, can be asserted by the Vice President in response to written instructions from the President. A U.S. Court of Appeals has extended the executive privilege to White House staff and presidential advisors "in the course of preparing advice for the President." In re: Sealed Case, 121 F.3d 729, 752 (D.C. Cir. 1997) (involving then-Secretary of Agriculture, Mike Espy).

The power of Congress to attempt to gain access to sensitive executive branch information follows from the system of checks and balances favored by the framers of the Constitution. History and precedent recognize Congress’ power to oversee and investigate matters and the Constitution, "by no means contemplates total separation of each of these three essential branches of Government." Buckley v. Valeo, 424 U.S. 1, 121 (1976). The Supreme Court has been careful to limit Congress’ power as well. In one of the first cases to examine Congress’ investigative powers, Kilbourn v. Thompson, 103 U.S. 168 (1881), the Court found that Congress must have a valid legislative purpose for conducting the investigation.

The Supreme Court has never been called upon to decide whether executive privilege can overcome a congressional demand for information. The Court has recognized the existence of executive privilege in United States v. Nixon, a case involving a dispute between the executive and judicial branches. In that case, the Court found that the privilege is not absolute, noting that

"[t]he expectation of a President to the confidentiality of his conversations and correspondence, like the claim of confidentiality of judicial deliberations, for example, has all the values which we accord deference for the privacy of all citizens and, added to those values, is the necessity for protection of the public interest in candid, objective, and even blunt or harsh opinions in Presidential decisionmaking. A President and those who assist him must be free to explore alternatives in the process of shaping policies and making decisions and to do so in a way many would be unwilling to express except privately . . .. The interest in preserving confidentiality is weighty indeed and entitled to great respect. However, we cannot conclude that advisers will be moved to temper the candor of their remarks by the infrequent occasions of disclosure because of the possibility that such conversation will be called for in the context of a criminal prosecution." 418 U.S. 683, 708, 712 ((1974) ("Nixon I").

Ultimately, the Supreme Court held in this case and one other that the President must disclose confidential, privileged information when presidential right is outweighed by other constitutional needs. (In Nixon I, the Court ruled that the privilege must give way to disclosure when the evidence is needed in a criminal case when it compelled President Richard Nixon to surrender audio tapes from the White House that were relevant to the Watergate scandal. In Nixon II, Nixon v. Administrator of General Services, 433 U.S. 425 (1977), the Court held that the public’s need for knowledge may overcome the privilege.)

The filing of the lawsuit will be the first time the GAO has sued to enforce access rights against a constitutional officer or president.

[Posted February 21, 2001]

For more on the Cheney Energy involvement, read: Cheney Suppressed Evidence in California Energy Crisis

Judge Bates was appointed in 2/06 to serve on the FISA court:

http://www.fas.org/blog/secrecy/2006/03/judge_john_d_bates_appointed_t.h...

And he "served as Deputy Independent Counsel to the intensely partisan Whitewater investigation".

the "higher courts"

are also controlled by "loyal Bushies" - especially the Supreme Court.

so they will spend 3 more years filing appeals that will ultimately be rejected on a 5-4 vote.

Joe and Valerie should save their money and join the impeachment movement. 

Wonderful, isn't it?

When you try to get some redress from these courts, you find them all faithfully manned by other Bushies.

Can we impeach judges (including those on the Supreme Court) when we impeach (and hopefully imprison) Bush and Cheney. Id there anything WORSE in this country's history than these parasites, crooks, and traitors? 

I'd love to see a few of those judges

tossed out on their tails.

It's disheartening to see our judical system
in lockstep with the Bushistas.

The Bush Adminstration held liable

How can one man, even if he is the president, break the law,time after time and keep getting away with ? The President, vice president,scooter libby, department of justice, on and on. Thinking back about all the serious lies and killing our boys and girls with the most outrageous lie of all, it all makes me very ill.
We are forced to watch them , with their arrogant smiles and behavior know ing no one can touch them.
Well, there is a higher power taking notes, you can believe that. njsbengals

Democratic legislators = teets on a boar hog

Our only justice will come from impeachment, yet our democratic legislators sit on their hind quarters collecting their corporate paybackies. 

I can't park on my owned damned grass without being fined.  I can't talk on my phone without being eavesdropped on by my government because I might be a subversive after all these years.  Hell, I can't even feed a damned prairie dog without being fined.  However, corporations can feed cattle hormones so that I might get cancer from the beef and these guys can get by with murder while our legislators just sit there doing the ceremonial tsk tsk by holding session all night and accomplishing nothing.  

What good are they?

Usama bin Forgotten

Your tag line (OBL still free) is awesome...

I'm going to make myself a bumper sticker and a T-Shirt of it. 

Kudos to you!

Plaudits to LootieMaye

LM:

Well-stated.  Love your outrage - and your ending iconic message.

Now, THAT's a story!  The Bush and Bin Laden families go back almost 50 years.  If not for Bush's suppression, redaction, removal, and sanitizing of documents under the guise of national security, it would be great to review the corporate records of George H.W. Bush's Zapata Oil Company, 1950s CIA-proprietary and servitor to Aramco Oil and the other (then) "six-sisters."  This is when the family alliances were first formed, including long years intelligence work between the Bush family and Yeslam, Salem, Shafiq, and Osama bin Laden that culminated in the alleged terrorist" attacks of September 11, 2001 - including, along the way, the bin Laden family's investments in George W. Bush's Arbusto Energy, and George H.W. Bush's management of their millions in the nation's 11th largst defense contracting and investment firm, The Carlyle Group, befoe, during, and after, 9-11.

"I'm still free - what about you?"  Great message.  Keep up the good work.

Kndest regards,

Will

Letting Go

It is surprising how upset i have been over this administration. Just when i think that the truth will set us freeand even when it comes out, all of the Bush Administration continues to go on as if no wrongs have been committed.
I know the democrats don't seem strong but they are. I wouldn't want to be a part of the lieing, hateful republicans. They give out the message that the dem. havn't got anything done. ha! ha! They have been there 6 years with a repubican president. The dem.s have been in charge for 6months--with a republican president. Let's face it whether it be the polls lieing about Clinton or how weak we are. We must stick together and let go and let GOD!!! njsbengals

The crooks did it again!

Who is going to stop them? Maybe some investigations with all the evidence put out in the public domain.

What the bu$hnazis don't realize is that all this unchecked power will go on to the next real president, a Democrat. I'll bet we'll be hearing some whining about executive power when that happens.

IMPEACH THEM NOW!

OH, wait. The Dems still don't have any balls yet. Damn!

BUCK FUSH !!!

judicial -- plame

Many years ago, I wrote that when we elect a president, we don't just elect a party, we elect the federal judiciary system. This is especially true with this president, as we are seeing over and over again. Could Ms. Plame have gotten a better deal by filing in NYC rather than DC? I don't know. Her lawyers probably knew the odds were against them. By the time an appeal is decided, the case will have become stale history, unfortunately. If the Democrats had any spine, they would have begun (even if unsuccessfully) impeachment proceedings years ago -- and they would have spoken out against the PATRIOT Act and other Presidential abuses much more vigorously.

Prioritizing Action

Walt,

As you astutely observed and have long expressed, election of a candidate to the presidency entails having to abide a full administration, application of party power, judical appointments, new foreign service personnel, and selection of those empowered with oversight of the Federal Regulatory Agencies.

In the case of Herr Bush and regime, we did NOT elect these usurpers!  They stole both elections and imposed themselves and their ilk on America and the world via various election illegalties including installation of electronic voting machines proven in court to operate with 12 separate sets of hidden software commands that ensured victory for Republican candidates.

This, in fact, has been going on for a long time in America, with the result that gubernatorial mansions, state legislatures, Congress, the Senate, and the White House were dominated by a minority divisive party free to then appoint Neo-Con rightwing judges, justices, regulatory agency personnel, foreign diplomats, and all other manner of government personnel in accorance with ideological archconservative think tanks, neo-fascist foundations, fundamentalist religious groups, transnational corporate funders, and other rightwing extremist organizations.

In large part, this can be traced back to Wall Street attorney John Foster Dulles and his brother Allen, both of whom were recommended in a post-war FBI memorandum to be charged with treason, but who wrapped themselves in the flag while holding forth a Cross (straightened from its heretofore eight-sided broken angles) and began the confluence of church-state Republican Christian-patriotic-family values as a guise against their likely indictment for financing - along with Herbert Walker and Prescott Bush - various Nazi front organizations during WWII.  Backed by massive corporate funding, the Dulles boys promoted themselves as sons of a Presbyterian minister and grandsons/nephews of former Secretaries of State while using Dick Nixon and others to fan terror over alleged infiltration of atheistic-communism into every area of society via former New Deal / Fair Deal administration members.  Under Ike and VP Nixon, the Dulles brothers respectively became Secretary of State and CIA Director and issued forth the rise of career-CIA agent George H.W. Bush, whose father, Prescott served on the president's Foreign Policy Advisory Board.  Under Operations Paperclip and Outreach they recruited and set up in government and business a multutude of former Nazi butchers, who steadily rose within the ranks of the Republican party (as award-winning investigative reporter Russ Bellant so noted.)  Hence the advent of an unabated era of assassinations, destabilizations, disinformation, invasions, wars, terrorism, and the steady erosion of Constitutional civil liberties at home and around the world as America has shifted increasingly toward repitition of 1930s Nazi Germany, all the while espousing Christian values against communism and now, fundamentalist Islamic terrorism.  If we but recall, fascist party founder Benito Mussolini defined fascism as simply "corporatism" - and the Bush administration's tax-payer dispersement of trillions to underwrite American military and petro-chemical transnational conglomerates supports this concept.  We are now living in what appears to be the 4th Reich.

Democrats have neither the votes nor the spine to stop this "long train of abuses."  It will have to come from education of the American public and MASSIVE protests against governmental oppression and illegality - which is why Bush is now building internment camps and issued an Executive Order in May conferring upon himself arbitrary unilateral dictatorial power to use any and all means necessary to "ensure domestic tranquility and provide for the common defense" as he sees fit to determine.  Beware!

Kindest regards,

Will

Judge John D.Bates

Judge John D. Bates, one of many Bush puppets should have opted out of hearing the case of Valerie Plame. Judge Bates, a loyal Bush and Cheney man, in my opinion knew how he would rule before he heard the case. Have to protect King Bush and Prince Cheney, after all. When did the people of this country become such non-thinking, fools; to frightened of terrorists to stand up for our constitution! The laugh is on us because we now living under the rule of a dictator, a man who spies on us and wisks people offto secret prisons at a whim.

2001 Redux?

Bob:

In 2000 I submitted pieces covering Rheinquist's 1964 criminal tampering with voter registration and a comparison of the 2000 stolen presidential election to that of the Hayes theft. Less than a year later, I emailed you my views implicatng Bush and Cheney in the September 11 attacks - something that you replied you were not prepared to accept. I expressed the belief that you were naive, grossly underestimating this team, and living in denial. I stopped corresponding for several years.

 It is now 2007 and my question to you is - after a second stolen election, yet another military invasion of a sovereign nation based on lies (and this one "preemptive"), murder of its head of state, the treasonous outing of an American CIA agent, torturous interrogation of detainees, firing of U.S. attorneys for political reasons, and numerous other high crimes - are you now prepared to accept how criminally ruthless is this regime whose actions daily become more chillingly similar to those of the 1930s Nazis during Hitler's rise to power?

Look at the January no-bid contract awarded Halliburton to build domestic internment camps. Consider Bush's May Executive Directive nullifying the 1996 National Emergency Act and illegally conferring upon himself absolute dictatorial power without congressional or court recourse to suspend elections, round up dissidents, dissolve or nullify Congress, and set aside the Constitution should he determine that events so warrant. Recognize, if you will, how blithe is this executive who commutes the sentence of a criminal administrative aide, unconcerned about its impact on future elections. And, let us regard the recent Homland Security warnings that another massive terrorist attack appears imminent. And now, this abuse of judicial authority sanctioning his administration's treason, of which the underlying message is that it reinforces Herr Bush's power to act with impunity to abolish the Constitutional rights of those who dissent. There is a pattern here, and Bates is playing his part in implementing its stages.

 FYI, I'll repeat my post of last week:

"Once more, just as in the appointment of George W. Bush to the presidency in 2000 by a partisan majority of Supreme Court Justices, the judicial fix is in.  Bush appointee, administration lackey, and rightwing ideologue, U.S. District Judge John Bates in Washington, today dismissed Valerie Plame’s civil lawsuit against Vice (P)resident Dick Cheney, Undersecretary of State Richard (as in CIA narcotics trafficker) Dick Armitage, and White House aide Lewis "Scooter" Libby.

Bates, we may recall, is the same judge who:

· served Special Prosecutor Kenneth Starr’s rightwing witchhunt,1997-99, as Deputy Independent Counsel in the feckless multimillion-dollar Whitewater investigation of President Bill Clinton;

· was subsequently appointed by George W. Bush to the U.S. District Court in December 2001;

· threw out a case in 2002 regarding the release of Cheney's 2001 Energy Taskforce records in Walker v. Cheney, ruling that a congressional agency, the General Accounting Office, has “no standing to obtain a court order compelling disclosure of information concerning meetings of the energy task force chaired by the Vice-President.”

· ruled in 2004 that lead plaintiff Representative Dennis Kucinich and 31 other Members of the House of Representatives had “no standing” to challenge President Bush’s withdrawal from the Anti-Ballistic Missile (ABM) Treaty without congressional approval, ruling that the case presents a “political question” not suitable for resolution by the courts;

· in January 2005, ruled against separation of church and state in the case of Michael A Newdow, who requested the banning of prayers during Bush’s second inauguration ceremony

· in August, 2005 ruled against Voices in the Wilderness, a Chicago-based humanitarian aid group seeking an end to the war In Iraq as well as and sanctions against Iraq. Ruling in favor of the Treasury Department’s imposition of a fine imposed for transporting "medicine and toys" to Iraq "absent specific license or other authorization."

· was named in March 2006 to a secret court – the U.S. Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISA) set up to oversee domestic spying shortly after reports surfaced in the news about the Bush administration circumventing the court to eavesdrop on American citizens.

In short, John Bates is Bush’s “fix-it man” in U.S. District Court. Dub-yah has his man at the subordinate level lest matters should be appealed to the Supreme Court (that appointed Bush) for determination as to whether or not cases even warrant their review.

Supporting this claim is Bates’ shameful actions in the Walker vs. Cheney case. Lest we forget, Bates served as judge hearing the arguments of Deputy Solicitor General Paul Clement, who had served as a law clerk to Judge Laurence Silberman of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit from 1992 to 1993. Silberman, another rabid rightwing Republican, (a Reagan/Bush appointee, he ruled for George W. Bush’s Attorney General John Ashcroft in the wiretapping ban case), had served as a go-between with Ted Olsen to Ken Starr, the Watergate prosecutor, for whom Bates worked as Special Prosecutor. Moreover, Silberman’s wife, Ricky, upon leaving the EEO Commission, co-founded the Independent Women's Forum and approached Ken Starr to file a friend-of-the-court brief in the Paula Jones case as payback for the Anita Hill case against Judge Clarence Thomas. According to author David Brock, “she thought, wouldn't it be delicious that Clinton would now be accused of sexual improprieties in the same way that Clarence Thomas had been? Judge Silberman played an absolutely key role at a critical juncture.” Thus the prior Starr association between Bates, Clement and Silberman constituted an egregious conflict of interest that should have resulted in Bates’ judicial censure or dismissal for not recusing himself.

In the latest of Bates’ knee-jerk genuflections to self-declared voice-from-God, George Bush and Company, citizen recourse against treasonous administration vengeance upon critics of its war policy is now nullified. Worse yet, is the fact that this ruling now sets the stage for even more egregious action. Judge Bates earlier ruled for the Bush administration in its prosecution of antiwar humanitarian aid organization Voices in the Wilderness. As Z-Net reporter David Smith-Ferri observed at the time, “We now live in a society where the law of the land asserts that delivering aspirin and antibiotics to a pediatrics ward where children are dying from diarrhea is a criminal offense. Likewise handing a plastic harmonica to a child suffering from leukemia. And there are federal judges who will bring the gavel down and sign on the dotted line.” Now, however, instead of a mere $20,000 fine, the Bush regime has arbitrarily imposed via yet another Executive Order, a scorched-Earth policy against such peace groups.

In a White House Press Release dated July 17. 2007, George Bush has conferred upon himself dictatorial power to block the “property and interests in property of . . . persons, that are in the United States, that hereafter come within the United States, or that are or hereafter come within the possession or control of United States” or any “entity” (defined as “a partnership, association, trust, joint venture, corporation, group, subgroup, or other organization” that may, through its actions be determined to be engaged in “undermining efforts to promote economic reconstruction and political reform in Iraq or to provide humanitarian assistance to the Iraqi people.” Thus, if any antiwar group is viewed to dissent from official U.S. policy by offering even humanitarian aid to those Bush declares to be enemy combatants or terrorists, he or she and their organization’s property and assets will now be “blocked and may not be transferred, paid, exported, withdrawn, or otherwise dealt in.” Indeed, under the terms of Herr Bush’s latest declaration, anyone seeking to come to the defense of anyone whose property and assets have been frozen, will likewise be regarded as aiding the enemy and suffer the same fate.

Sounds similar to VP Dick Nixon's actions in 1954 as chairman of the National Security Council's 5412 subcommittee, when he had Aristotle Onassiss' U.S,. assets frozen (along with his ships strafed and his assassination by the CIA ordered) following the shipping magnate's securing the "Jiddah Agreement" - monopolisitc routing out of Mid-East oil to the world's (then) seven major petro-chemical conglomerates. Obviously as Bush / Cheney seek approval of Iraq's constitutional provision to provide 70% of its oil to foreign (U.S.) oil companies, any person or entity that supports the Iraqi opposition will doubtless suffer Onassis' fate.

Yet, if there is a feeling of Déjà vu among some Americans, perhaps it more appropriately may be a sense of World War II when U.S. citizens of Japanese ancestry had their property seized by the federal government even as they were rounded up for internment behind barbed-wired in detention camps. And, we should recall, the Bush administration awarded in January, a no-bid $285 million contract to ex-Ceo Cheney’s company, Halliburton, to secretly construct massive internment camps across America.

This does not augur well for Americans opposed to war and concerned that new attacks will presage suspension of constitutional law in America. The Bates' rulings already portend such loss."

 - W.A.R.

Didn't you submit this very

Didn't you submit this very same post in another forum? I believe that we all get your point -- only you can see the future, and everyone else is stupid...

Divided, We Fall

Bill,

 Why such acrimony?  I have in no way suggested that I alone see the future. What I was pointing out to Bob, with whom I had strong disagreement six years ago concerning Bush-Cheney and their agenda, is that the excesses of this criminal regime are not over and constitute a pattern whose culmination may yet come.

I do not consider you or others "stupid."  If I did, there would be no point in posting any commentary, right?  Rather, I make these assertions because it seems that so many of those engaged with Democrats.com have their perspectives and energies diffused across a variety of issues that pale in consideration with Bush's actions of January, May, and these past few weeks.

It is my sincerest hope that I am absolutely wrong.  I may well be.  But the construction of internment camps across the country - the first since World War II, followed by Bush's Executive Order in May that supersedes the 1976 National Emergency Management Act, and now ratcheting up the terrorist warnings seem to me to be collectively, the most pressing issue facing us.

 Should another "terrorist" attack occur, Bush can, and likely will, suspend the Constitution and elections, dissolve or nullify Congress, and begin the process of rounding up dissidents, "enemy combatants," and others.  Bates' ruling in the Voice in the Wilderness campaign, followed by Bush's latest Executive Order on "blocking" assets, followed by Bates' ruling in the Plame case sanction virtual dictatorial suppression of free speech while setting the stage for potential government action against dissidents.

What point is there to arguing over candidates and other issues when the overriding rule of "law" is one of suppression to the point of possible internment?  The priority would seem to be striking down this usurpation of Constitutional power such that "We, the People" in fact HAVE a democratic-republic before Herr Bush and regime are relieved of office.

You rancorously wrote "We all get your point."  I'm not certain that you do.  My point is not that I, alone, "see the future and everyone else is stupid."  My point is that we must work together to ensure a future.  If there is stupidity, it is the gross stupidity of Herr Bush and his Neo-Con regime in believing that we will ignore his "log train of abuses" and continue as though everything is "business as usual."  I wrote in order to alert and encourage others to protest these actions.

Yes, I did post this elsewhere.  In May, I sent messages to Senators, members of Congress, and leaders of every organization worldwide that promotes democracy.   And I, or others, should advance this message or variations of it everywhere!  But in fact, in May, when Bush abrogated Constitutional checks and balances and arbitrarily conferred upon himself dictatorial power, only two journalists took notice, and both expressed shock that the news media ignored so momentous and profoundly troubling an act.

Let us recognize our shared outrage, work together, and forge an effective resistance to this pattern of usurpations, terrorism, illegality, oppression and criminality.  THAT is my point.  And because I respect the activists associated with Democrats.com, I post these messages, hopeful that we can together form a consensus of opinion that we must prioritize against the most dangerous abuses to Constitutional rights and move forward in united fashion to redress the heinous actions of this illegal regime.

Kindest regards,

Will 

First of all you are

First of all you are suggesting nothing more than what most of the members of Democrats.com are already doing, and secondly your lengthy "Chicken Little" diatribes are extremely condescending.

There is no acrimony intended in my remarks, and you are certainly entitled to your opinions. Your I-told-you-so attitude towards Bob and others, however, is premature because you have not identified any matter that has not already been addressed at length on this blog -- if you take the time to do a little research.

If by "working together," you mean that we should not attempt to clean up our own mess and get rid of the DINO neocons who have self-appointed themselves "leaders," there are many Liberal Democrats like me who would strongly disagree. Democrats are not fighting traditional Conservative Republicans -- the common enemies of the American People are coporate-owned neoconservatives in both political Parties.

Check Yourself - and the Constitution

Bill:

"Condescending?!"  Wow!  Have you read your own comments lately?   And yes, you ARE acrimonious with a decidedly "I know better" attitude.

But you are wrong when you state that I am "suggesting nothing more than what most of the members of Democrats.com are already doing (and) have not identified any matter that has not already been addressed at length on this blog."  No, judging by the multiplicity of topics, there is little focus on this, presently the gravest danger to our civil liberties.

You can castigate me with snippy little pejorative phrases like "Chicken Little diatribes," but you merely denigrate or otherwise ignore my message that Bush's contract for internment camps and his May directive abrogating the 1976 National Emergency Management Act should be the key priority for redress rather than the mass of blogs about elections, censure, impractical impeachment demands, sit-ins, etcetera - whether targeting G.O.P. or Democratic neo-Cons - all of which may prove futile if in fact, Bush does implement his Emergency Powers directive.

I have been willing all along to say I hope that I am wrong, unduly alarmist, and that this administration's actions are in fact honorable. I don't expect, by the acid tone of your self-righteous "Liberal Democrat" posturing, that you are likewise willing to express self-doubt, let alone seriously consider that Bush and company may indeed implement what his May directive suggests.

Lastly, please do not ascribe to me viewpoints that I have not, in fact, expressed.  In setting up and striking down the strawman, you are being childish and divisive.  You insult my intelligence and reveal your own limitations by attempting - and failing miserably - to define the limits of my political thinking. 

Now, William, how about trying to truly "work together" on this matter of extreme national urgency?  Do you feel that this matter should be ignored?  Aside from ratcheting up a war that could eventually engulf the Middle East and perhaps world superpowers, what action within the past 90 days or even the past year so compares in potential harm to the American people and our system of government as this assumption of arbitrary, absolute power?  Whether implemented or not, if must be stricken down.

I do hope that you and others will enlist support for removing this immense threat to the Constitution and our civil liberties.

Kindest regards,

Will

Your sad attempts to attack

Your sad attempts to attack me, and others on this blog, as "childish" are pathetic. You have stated only presumtuous "maybes" with no hard facts to support your self-described "alarmist" stance. And yes, you do tend to become verbose when laying down the law according to Ruha, and then take high offense with anyone who doesn't totally agree with your conspiracy theories. Childish...?

Do yourself a favor, and join us in taking our country back from the true enemies of the American People: the corporate-owned politicians in both Parties. That is the only way that we can regain control of our government, and stop this runaway "unitary executive" attack on our Constitution, and prevent future presidents from attempting to wear crowns. Impeachment is a good first step in this endeavor. The un-Constitutional Directive you mention is but another piece of evidence to support Articles of Impeachment.

A tunnel-visioned focus on a single piece (among many others) of questionable Executive Branch "legislation" will NOT do the trick.

Bill:Attack?!  Please! 

Bill:

Attack?!  Please!  Coming form a self-righteous egotist who describes my posts as "Chicken Little diatribes?"  Talk about "pathetic!"

- Will

Ruha, your many intelligent posts over the past few weeks...

have been excellent reminders to both new and old members about what this misadministration has done or has failed to do. So far, I am being fair and quite honestly complimentary to you and all your posts.

Since you have considerable information to share, we can expect your posts to be wordy. But, even you have lost sight of what is happening and what will follow over the next 17 months.

Many of our Pols are saying that they have only time for the important matters and no time for Impeachment. Yet, without impeachment and removal of Bush, Cheney, Rove, Gonzo, and all the myriad Bush infrastructure of has-been behind-the-scenes manipulators, our people cannot get anything that the people/country needs passed--or even considered.

If the Bushes are removed, then they cannot continue the war, cannot continue to break laws at will, and for being anti-people(which they are).

If Impeached, they(none of them)cannot hold public office during the hopefully short lifetimes left to them.

I keep thinking about Shirley Chisholm and what she might have done today as speaker.

If the thought of being attacked by Faux News disturbs our people, then they should immediately resign and let others who are willing to take the attacks as just part of the job.

Bill does have strong ideas. His ideas and thoughts have been carefully developed over a number of years and are based upon the reality of life in America today. He is essentially correct in his stands.

Nothing happens about the war, the economy, the people's needs, and all the rest until Bush/Cheney are removed from power.

A mind once expanded can never return to its original dimensions.

Anne Hathaway: 1556-1623

The greatest derangement of the mind is to believe in something because one wishes it to be so.

I don't believe in the court system

I have watched as Bush has consistently manipulated the courts to get what he wanted.  For that reason, I don't think there is legal remedy.  He'll just appeal any legal ruling to a court he has stacked with his influence, just like he has done many times before.  He didn't put Roberts in there, just because.

Because I don't think there is legal remedy, that leaves impeachment.  If our representatives (and I use that term very loosely) don't get their asses in gear, it will be too late and yet another republican president will get by with high crimes and misdemeanors against the citizens of this nation, sending a clear message to republicans that they can do anything they want, so long as they have weak democrats to bully around.  Full steam ahead and Constitution be damned.

I believe impeachment was devised for situations when the court system was not the proper venue.  I also believe that every single republican and democrat in DC who are holding out on fulfilling their oaths of office should resign in shame, especially the candidates for the presidency. 

Usama bin Forgotten

Anne: Thank you for your

Anne:

Thank you for your thoughtful commentary.  Look, I have no real dispute with Bill's end objectives.  I am in 100% agreement that the NeoCon corp-bought politicians are rampant in boith sides of the aisle.

What I object to is the lack of prioritized focus.  I don't believe impeachment is possible. The House votes aren't there and even if they DID manage to submit articles to the Senate, the movement will fail there.  It WON't happen.

Worse.  If such pressure is put to bear on Bush-Cheney and Company there is strong indication that we will suddenly suffer a "national emergency" that will result in unprecedented martial law actions that will preserve his presidency - for how long is anyone's guess.

That is why I say, prevent the worst case scenario: demand recension of the May 9th Executive Powers act he issued.  Unless that is first done, other action may well be futile.

We DO need to work together.  But strip this bastard of his own self-conferred dictatorial powers first before impeachment is tried.

Kindest regards,

Will 

Look Will, I apologize for

Look Will, I apologize for allowing this discussion to get out of hand, become personal, and for taking Bob's node so far off-topic. It's just that most members of Democrats.com, including me, disagree with your sense of "priorities." Your assertion that "impeachment will fail," is purely subjective, and does not really address our concerns.

Nixon was not impeached, but resigned under the mere threat of impeachment. Why? Because he could not have been pardoned by his successor had he been impeached. Our stance is not that impeachment will succeed, or fail, but that it is seriously considered and put "back on the table." It is the least that our do-nothing Congressional "leaders" can do in exchange for being given the opportuity to change the direction of this country.

Your advice to attack a single Directive (through the Dubya-seeded courts, no less) in order to prevent possible mass imprisonments and the imposition of Martial Law is flawed in many ways. First of all, what would be the "gain" for Dubya and the neocons? In the event that your worst fears are realized, the resultant civil unrest would bring the country to a standstill, and most likely spark the beginnings of a civil war. Do you really believe that the neocons are stupid enough to risk that possibility? Do you believe that their corporate sponsors would allow them to risk a potential indefinite shutdown of most commerce, and an economic meltdown? Also, consider the Posse Comitatus Act: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act

So let's just agree to disagree, and I would only ask that as you promote your conspiracy theories, that you not attack our stance on impeachment as being "childish, irresponsible, or unfocused." We are entirely serious about at least calling on our elected representatives to quickly implement steps to bring accountability back to our government, and put an end to the concept of a "unitary Executive."

Btw, the poster you replied to is Grinch: Anne Hathaway is the author of the quote he uses as his tag line...;-)

OK, I'm willing to put off impeachment...

suppose we could use the Congressional RECESS to butn them at the stake?

Your choice: Impeachment or burn at the stake.

A mind once expanded can never return to its original dimensions.

Anne Hathaway: 1556-1623

The greatest derangement of the mind is to believe in something because one wishes it to be so.

LOL! I like that idea -- a

LOL! I like that idea -- a "recess impeachment!" As Dubya has demostrated on many occasions, who needs Congress?

Impeachment, yes - but first, remove the gravest threat

Bill,

Thanks for your message. Look, well before our bruha-ha, I too, signed the impeachment petition – not that I thought it would do much good. I wish I was wrong. The problems, as I see them, are (with apologies for the length) these:

Democrats in the House do not want to jeopardize what they believe to be a tenuous hold on their majority status by being viewed as vengefully partisan via impeachment proceedings. They know they will be largely crucified by corporate mainstream media. And with Hillary as the leading Democrat for the 2008 nomination, rightwing radio and mainstream news would crucify her owing to the G.O.P.’s impeachment of her husband. I agree wholeheartedly that the present matter would not, in reality, be payback for Clinton’s impeachment (over semantics concerning a BJ) which was a tit-for-tat hit for the Anita Hill / Clarence Thomas outing – but Congressional Democrats fear that a partisan-led impeachment of Dubya would be viewed as just another vengeance procedure. They feel they have a better chance winning a solid 2/3rds majority bringing their case before the court of public opinion against Bush’s “high crimes and misdemeanors.”

 Myself? I haven’t trusted election results for over a decade, and my skepticism has in fact, been proven justified in court by such cases as Beverly Harris vs. Diebold, wherein software engineers proved to the court’s satisfaction that 12 separate sets of hidden software commands were throwing the results to Bush & party.

However, let us say that Bush, Cheney, and their 4th Reich regime commit further crimes so egregious that even Republican die-hards feel compelled to support impeachment. What is the likely outcome? Has the nation ever impeached both a president and vice president? No. And doing so would bring into power the House Speaker, a Democrat and woman, so neither Congressional Republicans nor Hillary Clinton and her Democratic supporters are going to support this.

 Removing Bush brings on Cheney – the power behind the throne anyway. And then either Cheney, or his hand-picked successor as vice president has incumbency with which to re-position before November 2008.

If it is Cheney who goes, then Bush can likewise pick a replacement, possibly Rudy or another G.O.P. star who then has incumbency, higher status, media support, and a veritable clean slate with which to oppose the Democratic candidate.

Moreover, if Bush was impeached, I have little doubt that before a vote reached the Senate, another “terrorist” attack would occur and he would then ride out his term and them some – for a relatively indeterminate length, as Commander-in-Chief, whose warnings and actions were then “justified” (ala Lincoln’s despotic and unconstitutional actions as a wartime president intent on saving the Union) by the heinous attack against America.

And what if the “attack” appears to be Al-Quaida from their newest lair, Iran? Let’s face facts: Afghanistan had nothing to do with September 11, 2001. But when Unocal pulled out of the trans-Afghani pipeline project in 1998 because the political situation in Afghanistan was viewed as unstable and Enron came in with a $400 million bribe to the Taliban, followed by Cheney’s firm, Halliburton buying DSDN ASA, the Norwegian undersea pipeline manufacturer, suddenly trillions of dollars in oil and gas reserves at stake, were ripe for U.S. oil and military-related industries, pending an excuse to subjugate the region militarily.

Likewise, there were no WMDs in Iraq, but there is an estimated $4 trillion in oil and gas reserves to be routed out. We are beating hell out of Iraqi legislators to force them to sign constitutional provisions that allocate 70% of their nation’s oil to foreign (U.S.) companies. Iran’s reserves dwarf those of Iraq. Iran holds the world’s third largest known oil reserves, 132.5 billion barrels, and the second largest natural gas reserves, about 971 trillion cubic feet. The Caspian Sea holds at least $5 trillion in oil and gas reserves. Bill, we are talking here about something referred to a century ago as “the Great Game” – the question as to which nation would eventually control the world’s vast oil and gas reserves housed beneath the sands and soil of the Middle East.

You asked a very good question: “Do you really believe that the neocons are stupid enough to risk that possibility? (i.e., civil unrest, etc.) Do you believe that their corporate sponsors would allow them to risk a potential indefinite shutdown of most commerce, and an economic meltdown?” My answer: most definitely. Bush would not have granted Halliburton a $285 million contract to build domestic internment centers if he didn’t believe that they might be necessary. He would not have conferred upon himself unprecedented, arbitrary, unilateral and absolute Emergency powers, unless he and his regime felt that they might be needed. I don’t believe they fear civil unrest. I fear that they welcome it. Moreover, considering the immense economic damage they have already done to the vast majority of American consumers much to the benefit of the wealthiest 1% - especially those with military, petro-chemical, pharmaceutical, wireless communication and other war-related industries investments  – Bush and company have no compunction whatsoever in terms of inconveniencing or damaging other businesses, consumers, and the economy overall. This is about raw greed and the use of power by any means necessary to fulfill an agenda. These people have little regard for law, life, liberty, or perceived legitimacy.

Bill, I know nothing about you other than your posts and your self-description as a “Liberal Democrat.” I considered myself a Liberal Democrat in 1964. I believed in my government and was aghast that our beloved President had been assassinated by a misfit. Then I bought the 26 volumes of the President’s Commission and began to study what happened. Forty-four years of in-depth research, interviews, investigation, analysis, and troubled thought have taught me not only the fallacy of believing “it can’t happen here,” but to anticipate the possibility – based upon early warning signs of what our Founding Fathers termed “a long train of abuses and usurpations” that much worse can and indeed will occur unless “We, the People” put a stop to it. It's why, when I first had my disagrement with Bob Fertig, I predicted that Bush would have us in a war before his first term was ended. I was wrong. Even I was naive. He had us in two. What we are winessing is a criminal regime unprecedented in American history. Its closest parallel is 1930s Nazi Germany - and lest we forget, Bush's heirs, grandfather Prescott, and his father-in-law, Herbert Walker, were instrumental along with the Dulles brothers (according to Senate investigative and FBI reports) in helping to finance Nazi militarism before and during World War II.

A number of Democrats attribute to our party’s fonder, Thomas Jefferson, the warning that “Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty,” but in fact, it issued from Wendell Phillips in a speech in Boston before the Anti-slavery Society. I’d like to conclude by quoting it in its fuller version:

 “Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty—power is ever stealing from the many to the few…. The hand entrusted with power becomes … the necessary enemy of the people. Only by continual oversight can the democrat in office be prevented from hardening into a despot: only by unintermitted Agitation can a people be kept sufficiently awake to principle not to let liberty be smothered in material prosperity.”

Bill, I truly believe that, whether or not we are able to remove Bush and Cheney from office via impeachment, we should prioritize our actions by first removing from his official duties, the power to arbitrarily and unconstitutionally assume absolute power via his May 9th directive. If we do not first do this, then he, as Commander-in-Chief holds the trump card over Congress, the Constitution, and the people of this country. With trillions of dollars at stake, these criminals will stop at nothing.  (Incidentally, some time ago I sent Senator Feinstein a nasty reply when she opted out of supporting impeachment on the excuse that it would "only further divide our country." This rationale - from a woman named "Feinstein."  Imagine!)

Kindest regards,

Will

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