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Inslee to Introduce Gonzales Impeachment on Tuesday
Satyam has the news, courtesy of MSNBC:
Rep. Jay Inslee (D-WA) is introducing legislation that would require the House Judiciary Committee and the House of Representatives to begin an impeachment investigation into Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, in the wake of his damaging testimony last week. The legislation reads:
Resolved: That the Committee on the Judiciary shall investigate fully whether sufficient grounds exist for the House of Representatives to impeach Alberto Gonzales for high crimes and misdemeanors.
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Bravo!
Gonzales needs to step down, and if he won't do so gracefully, I hope Congress will force him to do so. Like the entire Bush administration, he refuses to take responsibility for his illegal actions and needs to be held accountable. The Iraq War bespeaks a lot about Bush’s personal shortcomings and his administration’s horrible policy choices. To date, the war has cost over $340 billion dollars—money which could have been spent much more wisely and with better end results. It is estimated, for example, that the expenditure of a mere $19 billion would eliminate starvation and malnutrition worldwide. In a time when the current defense budget is $522 billion, the goal of eradicating world hunger is clearly well within reach. Thus, it is clear that the occupation of Iraq needs to end and the entire Bush administration, including Gonzales, needs to come clean with the American public. There are simply much more important issues that need to be addressed.
Jessica09: Cute, ya slipped in another Borgen Project in...
I guess your cult in WA is getting smarter. Why don't you guys write Bush? We can't help you with the Borgen Project.
Slipping your nonsense into answers to other subject threads is a no no here. So is posting and running.
http://www.democrats.com/rules
A mind once expanded can never return to its original dimensions.
Anne Hathaway: 1556-1623
The greatest derangement of the mind is to believe in something because one wishes it to be so.
They apparently don't read
They apparently don't read replies to their posts Grinch, or anything else on Democrats.com for that matter.
And you are correct: they have been spamming the site with these repetitious posts, with no regard to the actual topic of the nodes. Are you thinking what I'm thinking...?
Jessica09 is on the site now Bill...
perhaps she will respond and tell us why her group is doing this.
A mind once expanded can never return to its original dimensions.
Anne Hathaway: 1556-1623
The greatest derangement of the mind is to believe in something because one wishes it to be so.
Reply
I don't read your responses? Well, a few thoughts in return for yours. First of all, I would hardly call a non-profit working for the reduction of global poverty a "cult." Secondly, we do write to the executive and legislative branches, as well as arranging in person meetings with staffers and Congresspeople. The mission of the Borgen Project is two fold, however, and does not solely consist of lobbying. We aim to also raise public awareness in order to subsequently get political attention focused on global poverty issues. I hope this clears up our logic for you. And, to put your fretting minds at ease, please know that I won't be posting on this site again. Best to you both.
Don't let the door, well, you know.
If your group is not a cult, then why do you all come from the same general area of Washington State.
A mind once expanded can never return to its original dimensions.
Anne Hathaway: 1556-1623
The greatest derangement of the mind is to believe in something because one wishes it to be so.
Is there a "Borgen Project"
Is there a "Borgen Project" that will feed the hungry, house the homeless, and provide medical insurance for the poor in the United States of America? That would a better use for the money that's going to fund the illegal war against Iraq. Eradicating world poverty is a noble goal, but our taxes should go to help our own citizens first. Charity does indeed, begin at home.
And the "fretting minds," you mention are not concerned so much with the subject of your posts -- just the nodes where you choose to place your off-topic spam messages. If you are this obnoxious with the rest of your marketing programs, you are doing yourself more harm than good.
Not one of the Borgen Project Cultists have ever attempted...
to open a real dialog with our or any other group they infiltrate. They appear to be snippy 'purists' who have blinders on and just want the money. There is never any mention of what has happened to any of the world hunger drives that America has done in the past. Drives that bought foodstuffs, somehow managed to charter shipping to carry the goods to needy countries(we have virtually no merchant marine left in this country), found that from the time the goods arrived in the desperate countries only to have the food stolen starting with the docks when it was first unloaded. Following that, there is no way to transport foodstuffs to the hungry in many of these countries because the routes frequently run through battle zones. Our attempts to feed the hungry of the world usually end up in black markets being sold off to the highest bidder. These people never have solved thase problems. To them it is the cause, not the actual relief that counts. As Bill mentioned, their feeble attempts to 'spam' other sites, including this one, are not the result of debate or discussion. They are perfectionists in a single cause. As a result, they only disrupt. As disrupters, they are trolls and are treated as such.
A mind once expanded can never return to its original dimensions.
Anne Hathaway: 1556-1623
The greatest derangement of the mind is to believe in something because one wishes it to be so.
Response Required, response given
Hi again, you two. I just wanted to address a few things you both brought up in your posts. The first is directed to Bill regarding domestic poverty. Bill, I most certainly agree with you that domestic poverty ought to be addressed and that charity does, indeed, begin at home. And you're right, dealing with domestic poverty is actually much easier than dealing with global poverty for two reasons. The first is that the general population and our political leaders are confronted with it daily and in ways that are rarely fully masked. When one cannot distance oneself from the problem pretending it does not exist, one is compelled to deal with the problem. The second follows the line of thought that "the Grinch" was referring to in his(?) comment, and that is, the difficulties involving the distribution of goods and services worldwide. The "Grinch" is correct in asserting that solving the problem of global poverty will have many hurdles and will not be something accomplished overnight or without sacrifice. But, to be so pessimistic as to believe that it will never be possible to solve this dire problem will prevent even the slightest possibility of a solution. It is only by trying that we have a chance at all. Failure can even, at times, be a mark of progress. As Huntington wrote, “Critics say that America is a lie because its reality falls so short of its ideals. They are wrong. America is not a lie; it is a disappointment. But it can be a disappointment only because it is also a hope.”
Now that I've proved your point that domestic poverty is both compelling (and arguably more compelling due to its proximity to our own lives) and an easier problem to deal with than global poverty, I'd also like to address why the Borgen Project does focus on global poverty issues instead of solely sticking to domestic ones. To begin, global poverty is on an entirely different scale than domestic poverty. Many of those who live in what is defined as poverty here in the United States would be considered quite well off in other nations. Given this fact, even a small amount if aid to other nations can have a very large impact. Please don't misconstrue what I’m saying here though. I don't believe anyone deserves or ought to live in poverty of any sort—here in the US or abroad. My point is only that those living in poverty in other nations are usually much worse off than those living in poverty in the States and that a little aid goes much farther internationally than it does nationally.
If you're interested in what the Borgen Project does and would like to further discuss why we do so, please do check out the website, www.borgenproject.org. Let me leave you both with a Chinese proverb I try to live my life by:
“To know and not to act is not to know.”
Jessica, as I've stated I
Jessica, as I've stated I admire the work being done to eradicate global poverty, and that would indeed solve many of the social unrest problems around the world. Making the effort is commendable, and I applaud all who are involved.
Having said that, however, the goals of Democrats.com and its members are focused on bringing our own country back from the brink of fascism, and promoting social and economic equality at home. When you, and others, interject totally off-topic comments in political nodes (this one is a prime example) to support your own agenda, it distracts from our efforts. The better approach would be to start your own forum (or forums) and try to restrict your "Borgen Project" comments to that venue. You are, of course, also welcome to participate in other forums, as long as you remain on-topic.
For what it's worth, I have lived and worked in various parts of the world, including Africa, the Middle East, Southeast Asia, and South America, so I have seen truly devastating and pitiful poverty on a first-hand basis. The typical expatriate's response when first exposed to this inhumanity is to try and shut it out. After a short while, however, that is no longer possible and it becomes a matter of helping those that you can, while realizing that you can not help them all.
I have also witnessed first hand, the corruption and graft that follow various AID, UNESCO, UNDP, and other well-meaning programs, from place to place. Third World views of corruption are much different than ours, and paying "baksheesh" is commonplace, as well as an accepted business practice. Western companies are fully aware that they must grease a few palms in order to operate, and therefore devise illegal, enabling methods to bypass their own country's laws, thereby furthering and "legitimizing" the practice. Until we can find a way to circumvent the "officials" who drain these programs of any semblance of actually helping those intended to receive aid, such programs are too often self-defeating, and only help the Black Market vultures -- which, in turn, serves to worsen the problem.
Thanks for your cooperation and understanding.
Jessica, Like Bill, I've spent some time abroad...
actually, I've lived and worked in over 38 countries. Some wealthy nations, some dirt poor countries. Some countries that have been not much more than a loose confederation of hunter-gatherers.
I wonder how many of your group has accomplished this sort of travel? I wonder just how many of your group understands that the costs of buying goods to send abroad are far outshadowed by the costs of transport, by the costs of protection of goods and personnel, by the unvarying Baksheesh tratitions(as Bill discussed)and the absolute resistance by the nations involved in such meddling in their own time-tested traditions?
Noble goal undoubtedly, but when I consider some of the worst of the countries that I have lived in and the lifestyles of the people who live there, I find that the people of Ghetto Cleveland, ghetto New York and on ad nauseum are, at the very least, equally deserving. I haven't even touched on the continuing problems of the south and Appalachia which have not been solved as yet.
I have personally observed, in many countries, the failure of do-gooder organizations to deliver what they cry about. Not so much because they failed in their efforts as it is the failure of the people to assist in their own delivery and control systems.
This sort of program cannot be privately run. It must be done under the auspices of something like the UN. No one country can afford the cost in funds, people, time and effort.
In many countries, should your group prevail, I would strongly suggest that you go heavily armed and trained in the use of security and arms.
To do otherwise would be, quite frankly, suicidal and useless.
A mind once expanded can never return to its original dimensions.
Anne Hathaway: 1556-1623
The greatest derangement of the mind is to believe in something because one wishes it to be so.