Encourage Obama to Appoint a Special Prosecutor for Bush Administration

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On December 15, Vice President Cheney admitted on national TV that he authorized torture, including waterboarding. That shocking confession makes Cheney a war criminal. But apart from Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow, the Corporate Media barely noticed.

Under the Geneva Conventions, the United States must prosecute Dick Cheney for war crimes. So we submitted this question to President-elect Obama at Change.gov:

"Will you appoint a Special Prosecutor - ideally Patrick Fitzgerald - to independently investigate the gravest crimes of the Bush Administration, including torture and warrantless wiretapping?"
-Bob Fertik, New York City

At the end of the first round on December 15, our Special Prosecutor question was #6 but Obama's team only answered the first five, including one on the legalization of marijuana.

The second round began on 12/30 and once again, marijuana legalization jumped to #1. We need your help to make our Special Prosecutor question #1!

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As Ari Melber writes in The Nation,

With so few journalists directly asking the President-Elect about [torture and war crimes prosecution], it is up to the rest of us to put accountability and the rule of law on the agenda. Change.gov is a fine place to start.

Update 1: We also encourage you to vote for this question submitted by David Swanson:

Do you believe the pardon power extends to allowing a president to authorize a crime and then pardon his subordinate?  Are you aware that the Geneva Conventions and the Convention Against Torture commit the United States to prosecuting violators?

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David Swanson submitted this one:

"Do you believe the pardon power extends to allowing a president to authorize a crime and then pardon his subordinate? Are you aware that the Geneva Conventions and the Convention Against Torture commit the United States to prosecuting violators?"
David Swanson, Charlottesville VA

And Evie in Escondido CA submitted this one:

"How will President Elect Obama handle the call for charging the current President Bush and his colleagues with war crimes?"

Prosecute Cheney?

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Obama would be really stupid if he got involved because, as soon as Cheney got accused, Bush would pardon him. Cheney can't be pardoned until he is, at least, accused. You better believe that Cheney made the confession hoping that some really dumb people would do as you are doing now and maybe some other dumb person will make a legal accuasation so Bush could grant him a pardon.

The other point is that Obama said there can only be one president at a time. Bush is still president and it is not Obama's place to voice what he would do until he becomes president.


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I signed up here in order to say exactly what 'pequotian' above has said. NOT NOW!!! For all the reasons stated above.

You will be defeating your purpose if you press this issue now. Wait until Obama becomes actual president. Then let's press for this if he does not initiate an investigation.

I also wonder at Cheney's motivations for his admission. He may be trying to get someone to make the necessary legal moves so Bush can pardon him. Do not fall into the trap! This is far too important an issue. Patience! Its only a few more days.

About time you learned to play chess

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We at the Obama Campaign have been playing chess for two years, executing every move to succeed. Welcome to common sense and not emotional mahem.


Waiting in the weeds

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pequotian is right except for the fact that Bush COULD issue a premptive pardon. That's what Ford did, Nixon hadn't been indicted. This isn't one of Cheeney's canned hunts, folks, if we spook them, they can escape. We need to lay back and quiet down until after Obama takes the pardon pen away, THEN we can start making all the noise we want. There are rumblings about a big march in the spring if nothing's happened yet. But Obama's got a ton of other incredibly important things to focus on, so we can't expect indictments to be issued on Day One.

We absolutely need to redeem ouselves and earn back our moral authority in the world and don't doubt for a minute that the whole world will be watching to see if we do. But until Bush is gone, we really need to lay low and be cool so they don't feel the need for pardons. They're wanting to avoid them because they want to entrench the 'unitary executive' principle that Nixon started by pretending that what they've done is legal, and pardons are admitting guilt, so they want to avoid them if at all possible. But if they feel personally threatened, make no mistake, they will save their own sorry asses and take the pardons. Just like Nixon did. Be smart, people. Wait quietly, then pounce.

Besides the shredders are on max now

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The shredders are running on max now. If you tell your hand, or tip your hand, you lose. I don't know about you but, after 8 years of a loser President, don't you think he deserves a good dose of Justice.

Chill on it for a while and mull it around, we need air tight cases against the murderers on Murderers row.



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** Warning : This is a very comprehensive email directed at thoughtful , conscious human beings and is a call to action, reading this might make you turn off your tv**

Last week on ABC News, Vice President Dick Cheney , admitted to being complicit in war crimes and ordering torture.
He oversaw and personally approved of waterboarding,enhanced "Stress positions", dog attacks, sleep deprivation and other disgusting attacks.
Unfortunately tens of thousands of "detainees" have been brutalized and are innocent. The ACLU has done the research and are appalled.
Imagine if this was to happen to Americans or Canadians. Doing nothing might make that a reality one day.
As Cheney prepares to leave office he feels the need to justify his criminal activity. We can't let this monster get away with it.
Now it's up to you to share this information and write a letter or 2. DEMAND ACTION ! We need to pressure the media and our representatives.

I've taken the time to compile some links and information. Help me get it out.

If you're too lazy, don't know how to read or need some motivation ...there are video links.

Watch the first 2.

1. Abu Ghraib ( the extent of prisoner abuse at Abu Ghraib is much worse than anyone imagined )

2. Taxi to The Darkside (Academy Award Winning Documentary)

Rep. Nadler (D-NY) Calls for an Investigation of Bush Administration Officials in regards to torture

Cheney defends waterboarding
Dec. 17: In an interview with ABC News, Vice President Dick Cheney acknowledged he approved waterboarding prisoners. A Hardball panel discusses whether his support for this technique makes him guilty of war crimes.

Cheney, Rice and Rumsfeld All Approved Torture

Senator: 'As far as I'm concerned,' Cheney admitted condoning torture

Cheney admits to approving torture

Why Was Cheney So Quick to Admit He's a War Criminal?

Officials against torture memo feared wiretaps, physical danger

News Report Reveals White House Approved Torture Techniques

FBI files indict Bush, Cheney and Co. as war criminals


ABC Cheney Admits Torture Guilt

Senate Armed Services Committee
Inquiry into the Treatment of Detainees in U.S. Custody

Countdown profiles the war crimes by Dick Cheney. Guest: Jonathan Turley, prof. George Washington

Debate on waterboarding is artificial; it is clearly torture

America's Torture Disgrace

John Yoo's war crimes

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* "No exceptional circumstances whatsoever, whether a state of war or a threat of war, internal political instability or any other public emergency, may be invoked as a justification of torture." --United Nations Convention Against Torture, Art. 2, section 2 (a treaty that the United States has ratified).

Lt. Gen. Antonio Taguba, who investigated the Abu Ghraib scandal, said, “There is no longer doubt as to whether the current administration has committed war crimes. The only question that remains to be answered is whether those who ordered the use of torture will be held to account,”

U.S. Army Col. Larry Wilkerson, who was Colin Powell's chief of staff and who stated unequivocally that Cheney was the primary author of the torture policy: "There's no question in my mind where the philosophical guidance and the flexibility in order to do so originated -- in the vice president of the United States' office."

"Twenty-one years earlier, in 1947, the United States charged a Japanese officer, Yukio Asano, with war crimes for carrying out another form of waterboarding on a U.S. civilian. The subject was strapped on a stretcher that was tilted so that his feet were in the air and head near the floor, and small amounts of water were poured over his face, leaving him gasping for air until he agreed to talk.

"Asano was sentenced to 15 years of hard labor," Sen. Edward M. Kennedy (D-Mass.) told his colleagues last Thursday during the debate on military commissions legislation. "We punished people with 15 years of hard labor when waterboarding was used against Americans in World War II," he said.



The following is a chronological account of the actions taken by the U.S. Military under the leadership of George W. Bush as Commander-in-Chief which lead to multiple violations of the Geneva convention and U.S. Military Code.

The U.S. Military Code specifies that it is a crime to violate the Geneva convention:
"Whoever, ... commits a war crime, ... shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for life or any term of years, ... and if death results to the victim, shall also be subject to the penalty of death. ... Definition: As used in this section the term 'war crime' means ... a grave breach in any of the international conventions signed at Geneva 12 August 1949 [or acts] prohibited by Article 23, 25, 27, or 28 of the Annex to the Hague Convention IV, Respecting the Laws and Customs of War on Land, signed 18 October 1907 ... " (Section 2441: U.S. Military Code on War Crimes)

1945 Nuremberg Principles:

After WWII, the U.S. led the formation of the ‘Nuremberg Principles,’ which form the United Nations Charter. Every country in the world is bound by that Charter.
Defines as a crime: "Planning, preparation, initiation or waging of a war of aggression or a war in violation of international treaties, agreements or assurances;"

1. January 25, 2002
White House Counsel Alberto Gonzales writes a memo urging President George Bush to declare the war in Afghanistan exempt from the Geneva convention. In the memo, the White House lawyer references a 1996 law passed by Congress, known as the War Crimes Act, that law banned any Americans from committing war crimes - defined in part as "grave breaches" of the Geneva convention. The memo warns that the law applies to "U.S. officials" and that punishments for violators "include the death penalty." [PDF of Gonzales memo] (NewsWeek, May 17, 2004)

2. Subsequent to January 25, 2002
Secretary Powell writes a memo arguing that Alberto Gonzales’ attempt to declare the war in Afghanistan exempt from the Geneva convention undermines more than a century of U.S. policy and practice.

"It will reverse over a century of U.S. policy and practice in supporting the Geneva conventions and undermine the protections of the law of war for our troops, both in this specific conflict and in general. ... It may provoke some individual foreign prosecutors to investigate and prosecute our officials and troops. ... We will be challenged in international fora (UN Commission on Human Rights; World Court; etc.)." (Powell memo)

3. March 19, 2003
Bush declares pre-emptive war in Iraq which constitutes a "grave breach" of the Geneva convention as Iraq posed no "imminent threat" to the U.S.

"Law enforcement officials shall not use firearms against persons except in self-defence or defence of others against the imminent threat of death or serious injury, to prevent the perpetration of a particularly serious crime involving grave threat to life, to arrest a person presenting such a danger and resisting their authority, or to prevent his or her escape, and only when less extreme means are insufficient to achieve these objectives. In any event, intentional lethal use of firearms may only be made when strictly unavoidable in order to protect life." (United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights in Geneva, Fall 1990)


Geneva Convention:
"Prisoners of war must at all times be humanely treated. Any unlawful act or omission ... causing death or seriously endangering the health of a prisoner of war in its custody is prohibited, and will be regarded as a serious breach of the present Convention. Likewise, prisoners of war must at all times be protected, particularly against acts of violence or intimidation and against insults and public curiosity."

"No physical or mental torture, nor any other form of coercion, may be inflicted on prisoners of war to secure from them information of any kind whatever. Prisoners of war who refuse to answer may not be threatened, insulted, or exposed to any unpleasant or disadvantageous treatment of any kind."

"Prisoners of war shall enjoy complete latitude in the exercise of their religious duties, including attendance at the service of their faith, on condition that they comply with the disciplinary routine prescribed by the military authorities."

"The following acts are and shall remain prohibited ... cruel treatment and torture; ... Outrages upon personal dignity, in particular, humiliating and degrading treatment; "

"Individual or mass forcible transfers, as well as deportations of protected persons from occupied territory ... are prohibited, regardless of their motive."
(Geneva Convention, 1949)

1. October 11 , 2002
Department of Defense writes a memo which authorizes interrogation tactics for use at Guantanamo including using dogs to induce stress, stripping and shaving prisoners, and stress positions. Also included is a memo including an analysis of how the interrogators at Guantanamo (GTMO) became more willing to conduct extreme interrogation techniques.

"The Office of the Secretary of Defense (OSD) has not adopted specific guidelines regarding interrogation techniques for detainee operations at GTMO."
"Compounding this problem is the fact that there is no established clear policy for interrogation limits and operations at GTMO, and many interrogators have felt in the past that they could not do anything that could be considered 'controversial.'" Diane Beaver, LTC, USA, Staff Judge Advocate

Department of Defense approved: "The use of stress positions ... Use of the isolation facility for up to 30 days ... Extensions beyond the initial 30 days must be approved ... Depravation of light and auditory stimuli ... The detainee may also have a hood placed over his head during transportation and questioning. ... The use of 20 hour interrogations. ... Removal of all comfort items (including religious items) ... Removal of clothing. ... Forced grooming (shaving of facial hair etc.) ... Using detainees individual phobias (such as fear of dogs) to induce stress. ... The use of scenarios designed to convince the detainee that death or severely painful consequences are imminent for him and/or his family. ... Exposure to cold weather or water. ... Use of a wet towel and dripping water to induce the misperception of suffocation." (Torture memos)

2. October 25, 2002
Memo written by a U.S. Army General in response to the torture memo put out by the Department of Defense.
"I am particularly troubled by the use of implied expressed threats of death of the detainee or his family." James T. Hill, General, U.S. Army Commander (Torture memos)

3. November 27, 2002
An FBI agent at Guantanamo writes a memo warning FBI legal counsel that many of the interrogation methods proposed on October 11, 2002 for use at Guantanamo violate the prohibition on torture. The first quote is one of the techniques being approved by the Department of Defense. (FBI warning memo)
"Detainee will be sent off GTMO, either temporarily or permanently to Jordan, Egypt, or another third country to allow those countries to employ interrogation techniques that will enable them to obtain the requisite information."

"It is a per se violation of the U.S. Torture Statute. Discussing any plan which includes this category, could be seen as a conspiracy to violate 18 U.S.C. s. 2340. Any person who takes any action in furtherance of implementing such a plan, would inculcate all persons who were involved in creating this plan. This technique can not be utilized without violating U.S. Federal law."

4. March 13, 2002 - March 3, 2003
Six memos are written by military lawyers questioning the Department of Justice and White House legal analysis that supported coercive interrogation methods and unlimited presidential powers.(Military Memorandums)

"Comprehensive protection is lacking for DOD personnel who may be tried by other nations and/or international bodies for violations of international law, such as violations of the Geneva or Hague Conventions, the Additional Protocols, the Torture Convention, the Rome Statute of the ICC, or the Customary International Law of Human Rights." BG Kevin M. Sandkuhler, U.S. Marine Corps, Staff Judge Advocate to CMC

"Such a policy will open us to international criticism that the 'U.S. is a law unto itself.'" MG Thomas J. Romig, U.S. Army, the Judge Advocate General

"Several of the exceptional techniques, on their face, amount to violations of domestic criminal law and the UCMJ [Uniform Code of Military Justice] (e.g., assault). ... Other nations are likely to view the exceptional interrogation techniques as violative of international law and perhaps violative of their own domestic law. This places interrogators and the chain of command at risk of criminal accusations abroad, either in foreign domestic courts or in international fora, to include the ICC." Major General, U.S. Air Force, Deputy Judge Advocate General.

"The [Detainee Interrogation] working group believes use of [the] technique ... would constitute torture under international and U.S. law and, accordingly, should not be utilized. In the event SECDEF decides to authorize this technique, the working group believes armed forces personnel should not participate as interrogators as they are subject to UCMJ [Uniform Code of Military Justice] jurisdiction at all times." Rear Admiral, JAGC, U.S. Navy, Judge Advocate General.

5. Sometime in 2003
Janis Karpinski, the U.S. Brigadier General whose 800th Military Police Brigade was in charge of 17 prison facilities in Iraq, including Abu Ghraib back in 2003 reports how Rumsfeld signed off on a memo approving torture techniques:

"That one-page memorandum 'authorized sleep deprivation, stress positions, meal disruption -serving their meals late, not serving a meal. Leaving the lights on all night while playing loud music, issuing insults or criticism of their religion, their culture, their beliefs.' In the left-hand margin, alongside the list of interrogation techniques to be applied, Rumsfeld had personally written, 'Make sure this happens!!'" (Truthout, March 5, 2006)

6. March 19, 2004
Jack Goldsmith former director of the Office of Legal Counsel writes a memo stating that although the Geneva convention applies to Iraqi prisoners, the CIA can none-the-less transfer Iraqi prisoners out of Iraq. Prisoners the CIA subsequently moved to facilities outside of Iraq came to be known as 'ghost detainees.'

" ... a practice that international legal specialists say contravenes the Geneva Conventions. ... The agency has concealed the detainees from the International Committee of the Red Cross and other authorities ... The 1949 treaty notes that a violation of this particular provision constitutes a 'grave breach' of the [Geneva] accord." (Washington Post, October 24, 2004)

7. May 5, 2004
The Office of Inspector General writes a report revealing that senior leadership knew of the torture going on in Iraqi prisons.

"Senior leadership knew of or were aware of the incidents going on at the prison ... " The report relays two incidents of rape of female detainees. (Report from the Office of Inspector General)

8. May 15, 2004
New Yorker Article showing the Bush administration's knowledge and approval of torture policies.

"According to interviews with several past and present American intelligence officials, the Pentagon’s operation, known inside the intelligence community by several code words, including Copper Green, encouraged physical coercion and sexual humiliation of Iraqi prisoners in an effort to generate more intelligence about the growing insurgency in Iraq. A senior C.I.A. official, in confirming the details of this account last week, said that the operation stemmed from Rumsfeld’s long-standing desire to wrest control of America’s clandestine and paramilitary operations from the C.I.A." (New Yorker, May 24, 2004)

Attacks on Hospitals and Collective Punishment

Geneva Convention:
"Civilian hospitals ... may in no circumstances be the object of attack but shall at all times be respected and protected ... "

"The protection to which civilian hospitals are entitled shall not cease unless they are used to commit, outside their humanitarian duties, acts harmful to the enemy. Protection may, however, cease only after due warning has been given, naming, in all appropriate cases, a reasonable time limit and after such warning has remained unheeded."

"No protected person may be punished for an offence he or she has not personally committed. Collective penalties and likewise all measures of intimidation or of terrorism are prohibited." (Geneva Convention, 1949)

1945 Nuremberg Principles:

Defines a War Crime as the "... wanton destruction of cities, towns or villages ..." (Nuremberg Principles, 1950)

1. Spring thru Fall, 2004
U.S. Military conducts operations destroying two hospitals, denying medical assistance to civilians, conducting indiscriminate bombing campaigns on innocent civilians as "collective punishment." These are all Geneva violations.

"American forces dropped five 500-pound bombs on 'insurgent targets.' The Americans destroyed the Nazzal Emergency Hospital in the center of town. They stormed and occupied the Fallujah General Hospital, and have not agreed to allow doctors and ambulances go inside the main part of the city to help the wounded, in direct violation of the Geneva Conventions."

"The first U.S. attack on Fallujah, last April, killed 900-1000 people, mostly noncombatants. It was conducted in retaliation for the killing and mutilation of the bodies of four Blackwater Security Consulting mercenaries. Collective punishment against an occupied population for offenses committed by others also violates the Geneva Conventions." (Truthout, November 9, 2004)

"The air strikes reduced the Nazzal hospital, run by a Saudi Arabian Islamic charity, to rubble." (BBC, November 6, 2004)

"More than 10,000 US marines and 2,000 Iraqi security forces launched ... an attack on Falluja which has been under insurgents’ control since April 2004. ... according to press reports tens of thousands of civilians are still inside. There are concerns that a humanitarian crisis is looming with acute shortages in food, water, medicine and with no electricity. There are also many wounded people who could not receive medical care because of the fighting. The Iraqi Red Crescent Society stated that it had asked the Iraqi interim government and US forces for permission to deliver relief goods to civilians in Falluja and to send a medical team to the main hospital but had received no response. " (Amnesty Int., November 12, 2004)

2. March 24, 2005
Discussion by the Scottish Parliament over U.S. violations of the Geneva convention related to the use of depleted uranium in Iraq.

"The United Nations has ruled that the use of depleted uranium coated weapons breaches the Geneva convention and the genocide convention. Two thousand tonnes of depleted uranium were dropped on Iraq in the recent attacks; that is 2,000 tonnes of radioactive dust." (Scottish Parliament, March 24, 2005)

3. October 15, 2005
At a press conference in Geneva, Jean Ziegler, a senior United Nations official reports on U.S. Geneva violations related to starvation of civilians.

"A drama is taking place in total silence in Iraq, where the coalition's occupying forces are using hunger and deprivation of water as a weapon of war against the civilian population. ... [Coalition forces are using] starvation of civilians as a method of warfare ... This is a flagrant violation of international law." (BBC, October 15, 2005)

Due Process

Geneva Convention:
"The passing of sentences and the carrying out of executions without previous judgment pronounced by a regularly constituted court affording all the judicial guarantees which are recognized as indispensable by civilized peoples. "(Geneva Convention, 1949)

1. June 29, 2006
U.S. Federal Supreme Court Decision that the military tribunals being conducted were violations of the Geneva convention.

"The US Supreme Court has ruled that the Bush administration does not have the authority to try terrorism suspects by military tribunal. Justices upheld the challenge ... saying the proceedings violated Geneva Conventions." (Court Decision PDF) (BBC, June 29, 2006)

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That's great, but how much of all that is admissible

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You make a great case but how much of all that is admissible. Also, Cheney's interview is probably not admissible nor is his "confession" since he was not sworn. Don't use the Oath of Office either. The courts will call that argument vague. There is not a single case in law that is "open and shut." Just check out the documentation entered into evidence at Nuremberg. It takes the average historian about a year.

Haven't you noticed...

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Haven't you noticed that there is no remorse in those pardoned. It's as if this is there testifying as a record for hell. "Yeah, I did it and I'm damn proud I did" type ch*t.

No remorse means no Pardons, isn't that a reason that allows it. They are trashing the meaning of the laws, just like the Constitution.

We are now stocking the Houses with Constitutional officials that will follow the laws of the country, that We the People will have peace in our lifetime, after 30 years of wars. I at 49, know I would love to see peace one time in my lifetime, and I don't mean in the "afterlife" If everything is for the afterlife, then why even do time if life? Just skip it and go. It all doesn't add up that way. I have to use common sense on this matter all the time, in deciding whether to continue living in the hell of poverty, never having the goals (I need) met. But I have HOPE, the the children of our generation's wombs, will not make these stupid, embarrassing mistakes as a country, when I am gone.

Cheney must be bought up on charges, but NOT NOW.

Suffering and sacrifice of patience, is nobel and justified, at this time in history. Don't shine all the lights on the roaches just yet. They have enough $ to hide for years.

Air tight cases, no loopholes, get it?
All evidence present to be viewed publicly.


All the pieces, must be on the board first, have...

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All the pieces must be on the board and in their proper place first, have patience. Besides, the more the Christian right finds out they were played by the NeoConMen to send their sons and daughters to war, the better. We need all on board, no obstructions, and a unanimous decision to prosecute. Patience People, Patience.

The laws are on our side.
Spring the trap, when the rat has all the cheese and leads the way to the nest.
They can't hide it, it's the internet memo thing that is gonna get them.

What a 2009 Christmas present that would make from the Justice Department, for them politicizing it.


We found 0 results for “Fitzgerald” RE: Prosecute Cheney or Lega

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We found 0 results for “Fitzgerald”

But all the search returns is:
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As Ari Melber writes in The Nation,
With so few journalists directly asking the President-Elect about [torture and war crimes prosecution], it is up to the rest of us to put accountability and the rule of law on the agenda. Change.gov is a fine place to start.
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You gotta be kidding me

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The spineless, gutless, hapless Democrats have had two frigging years to shut down the Bush crime family, end the war in Iraq and turn the corner on fiscal irresponsibility and they have done nothing...NOTHING! Now Obama is supposed to come in and do your dirty work? Bulls**t! Grow a set and do your frigging job, cowards!

Well daddyunit

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the fact that the Bush/Cheney administration has been run by corrupt, inept idiots made it very difficult to stop the disaster...We didn't have "two years" to do squat because we had no voice at all...hell even the "moderate" Rethugs didn't have a voice. They ran this country like a Fascist country would...I know how that works because I was raised in Spain during Francos time, and people who objected to his regime would just disappear. Gitmo is a disaster and your party made it impossible to stop the torture and lies. A man once asked my father "why didn't the Nazis fight back?" My father (who published 54 books in History) grabbed the man threw him on the ground and swiftly put his knee to the mans throat and said "Go ahead, fight back" Being spineless is not what I would call any Democrats, but I would suggest that you look up your facts before you attack those people who have every right CONSTITUTIONALLY to get justice for the crimes YOUR party unleashed on the American people.

The Democrats could have stopped it!

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Sarah, that's bullshit. The Democrats could have impeached Bush or Cheney. They didn't.

It only takes ONE senator to filibuster a bill.

The Democrats VOTED FOR the 2006 Military Commissions Act (which eliminated habeus corpus), and retroactive immunity for the telecom companies that wiretapped our phones.

They also voted for the Patriot Act.

THE DEMOCRATS LET IT ALL HAPPEN!! (Am I getting through?)

These are symptoms of the real problem: People voting for parties, like the Democrats and the Republicans, that are financed by for-profit corporations that don't give a damn about anything else but profit.

If you vote for a corporate-financed party YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM!

The Greens let it all happen!

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After all, they could not gain the massive consensus needed to stop it, could they?

Democrats created agreement amongst a few tens of millions of folks, and in that insanely difficult task, ALSO picked up weaklings and Republicans in Democrat's clothing. (Democrats already agree that sucks).

Now how are you going to avoid this real world problem when attempting to glean 51% consensus rather than the simple percentage point consensus Green's enjoy?


You mention folks voting for parties financed by corporations that don't give a damn about anything but profit. You behave as if you think REPUBLICANS should be swayed by this. They - are - not. Am I getting through? Republicans relish that, including not well off Republicans.


As to your final admonishment: NO, I will not vote for the lesser of three evils. Were we to all go down that path to its logical conclusion, we would each cast a write in vote. Such disorganization would always produce Right Wing victories.


1) I will work toward change in the cultural arena.

2) I will vote in the better real world consensus at the moment of election.

3) I will repeat 1 and 2.


The Ron Paul voters should have had the same campaign connection

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connection machine, as we ran at Obama. They weren't in the MSM blogs exposing the problems when the iron was hot and the kettle was whistling for change.

They were too emotional and used (sometimes) irrational tactics to get him on. Why didn't Dr. Ron Paul go on blk radio stations, you know how we like to talk. At least all would be known of the rethugs over the 8 years of meeting. But then they never really trusted anyone, not of their clique' Ron Paul doesn't appear a divisive racist and I think a pretty rational common sense man of the 1950's, that understands generational change in government, when the Constitutional rights of it's citizens, are under attack.

John Edwards only told a very small piece of the puzzle and confusion of life here in America. A crescendo of chain reaction incompetence and dependency, cascade on Americans when Skull and Bones Business ticks, get into the government, like a monkey wrench to stop it from working. People you must be more careful and stay alert to this type of greed, and don't allow it to hit your savings or tax dollars, by leeching through campaign bribes, to the guy you wanna have a beer with. Alchohol distorts thinking. Look what happened. I want a teacher to teach, not an oil man for Green Tech. Oxymoron?

No more Obstruction, and learn to know when to pull your card hand back, and wait for the right cards.

Impatience, anxiety, and pressure, never solved a case, just the right evidence.

Find it!


Well Sarah

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When you assume you know what party I belong to you make an a$$ out of u and me. I have no allegiance to the Republicans who have been cheering the Bush crime family along for 8 years.

What "knee to the neck" did the Democratic congressional leadership have? They have many CONSTITUTIONAL powers to check and balance the president. They could have impeached Bush and Cheney, but they chose to look the other way. They control the budget...they could have cut funding for the war, but they chose to go along. The Democrats could have prevented giving immunity to the Telecom companies that aided and abetted illegal spying on Americans. They chose to give them a pass.

The Democrats in congress had the constitutional authority and obligation to stop these irresponsible neo-conservative Republican freaks and did nothing. Every time good brave Democrats like Russ Finegold and Dennis Kucinich tried to do something to stand up to these Republican thugs, Peolosi and Reed tied their hands. The American people are being mugged and they turned their eyes and walked the other way...and they're still looking the other way, waiting for the new sheriff in town to come rescue them.

So yes, the Democrats in congress are spineless cowards who looked the other way when their country needed them the most.


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When I try to sign up at CHANGE.GOV, I get 2 words for word verification. Everything I try to type in fails. One word is clear the other is somewhat garbled. Am I doing something wrong or is the website experiencing problems?

Use the contact us or go to

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Or go to Obama?Biden.com and sign up, then click contact us in the above slot of "issues"


Prosecute VP Chaney

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In my opinion if the new administration fails to establish a war crimes commission for crimes committed by individuals in the current administration then Americans will continue to lose their freedom and will also set a precedence for future politicians. Americans, not only our government will be seen around the world as the biggest violators of International Law, UN resolution, and our own Constitution. I also think if the atrocities were committed by a foreign government, our government would be the first to recommend appropriate action be taken by the International court.

Appoint a special prosecutor..

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This has been the bigest feasco in the history of our country. Clinton was impeached for having an affair, Bush and Cheney have committed war crimes, gave telecom companies imunity, this must not go un touched. The American Voters said Obama, by a huge margin. Obama must appoint a special prosecutor to investagate the wrong doings of the President and Vice president. Our votes could keep republicans out for decades unless we see some partinship in politics.

change.gov website

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After registering to ask a question at change.gov,
the site started doing some kind of "Loop" where it would show blank pages every second betwenn two different sites. I think it is all frigged up! Could not log in.

Rove strikes AGAIN!

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Internet corruption from the good ole' boys!

legalising marijuana far more important than prosecuting Cheney

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In my humble opinion this attempt to knock marijuana legalisation from no 1 is misguided and wrong. Of course Cheney is guilty and he deserves to be prosecuted. However every year thousands of people have their lives ruined by being prosecuted for marijuana possession; in fact the most dangerous thing about marijuana is marijuana prohibition. An end to the failed War on Drugs is far more important than the pleasure of seeing one vile man getting what he certainly deserves.

I agree schmoo however

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why not do both? We have the means and the ability to "multi task" and legalizing pot would be great but seeing to it that Cheney, Con, Bush etc. pay for their lies and torture would prove to the world that "we da peeps" stand by our Constitution and we also stand by the Geneva Convention etc. Legalizing pot would be great because it's a stupid law, but stopping the corruption and seeing to it that some sort of justice be paid to all the people who are innocent will signal the rest of the world that Americans actually really do care and we stand by our agreements and our own policies.

I know, the older generation are the doctors office sitters

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Instead of exercise and proper diet. I wish they would get out of every non-violent American issue. This is the intrusive government, we have heard about and no body is giving people life sentences for possession of alcohol, when it continues to kill 350,000 annually.
Pot never killed anyone, just the people enforcing the laws of it.

90 years of propaganda and still the same question persists, where's the harm in relaxing and eating at home, instead of out in the crossfire of the hood.
Some People have a beer, a shot, or martini.

What is wrong with marajuana, socially or privately, to be taxed to clear our massive debt of the "Baby Bombers Generation, that got us in this financial nightmare. If I was a smoker, I would rather have a store supply it, than to have to risk getting shot over it in crime areas of survival or gangwars over it.


war crimes

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Obama cannot appoint a special prosecutor until he is president! Once he is president, he absolutely must do so if we are to repair the damage we have caused to our constitution and our standing in the world. This choice between marijuana legalization and going after Cheney/Rumsfeld/Rice etc is a false choice. BOTH must be done.

Reschedule Cannibis

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Here is the DEA's own judges words on the safety of medical marijuana;
"In strict medical terms, marijuana is far safer than many foods we commonly consume... Marijuana in it's natural form, is one of the safest therapeutically active substances known to man. By any measure of rational analysis marijuana can be safely used within a supervised routine of medical care." -Drug Enforcement Administration, Chief Administrative Law Judge Francis Young, NORML v DEA 1988

The federal government has unconstitutionally banned American Hemp crops based on lies and bigotry for far too long. There is no better change that could be made in America at this time than to reschedule Cannibis and end the crooked, corrupt, oppressive, and out of control "war on drugs". Our government has, on behalf of big oil, big pharma, tobbaco, liquor and now the prison industrial complex arrested over 20,000,000 non-violent Americans for possesion or growing (Hemp) flowers, while preventing (and/or corrupting) legitimate medical, agricultural and industrial research and use of this most useful of crops, Hemp. Meanwhile the availability and potency of black market "pot" is at an all time "high". The illicit crop is , by most estimates the # 1 cash crop grown in America.

The war on drugs is corrupting other countries too;

Plan Colombia and its Consequences in Ecuador

"Plan Colombia ... Plan of Death"

Just Say NO!" Plan Colombia Flier

More than 10,000 Colombian soldiers have been trained in the U.S. at the School of the Americas (SOA)*. Many high ranking Colombian officers, who are graduates of the SOA, have been cited for brutal atrocities--including murderous rampages which were conducted in association with the AUC paramilitary (assassins) group, whose tactics include torture and the dismemberment of bodies.

In 2000, as part of “Plan Colombia,” the US allocated $1.3 billion - to date, nearly $5 billion has been sent to Colombia. The majority of this money is going primarily to US-based weapons manufacturers in the form of helicopters (costing over $15 million each), chemical corporations, who supply the toxins used for fumigations, and other corporations who use outsourcing to deploy mercenaries to the region. The remaining tens of millions are going directly to the notorious Colombian military - thus negating the Leahy Laws.

In Colombia the Numbers Don't Add Up

CODHES Analyzed a Recent Report Regarding the Number of Insurgent Casualties; Either the Colombian Government Exaggerated its Success, or There are More Insurgents than Previously Thought


Exporting DEAmocracy


Read on about our out of control DEA;
This is part of our global contribution. The drug war has become the preferred foreign policy approach toward controlling much of the world. We export our drug war, our tactics, and, most of all, our DEA.

Now with offices in Belize, Guatemala, Nicaragua, Mexico, Canada, Panama, Costa Rica, El Salvador, Honduras, Paraguay, Colombia, Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay, Venezuela, Bolivia, Peru, Ecuador, Chile, Antigua and Barbuda, Barbados, Dominica, Grenada, St. Kitts & Nevis, St. Vincent & the Grenadines, St. Lucia, Aruba, Netherlands Antilles, Suriname, Jamaica, The Bahamas, Turks & Caicos Islands, Haiti, Guyana, Trinidad & Tobago, Suriname, Dominican Republic, Cambodia, Thailand, Mongolia, Australia, Cook Islands, Fiji, French Polynesia, New Caldeonia, New Zealand, Niue, Papua New Guinea, Solomon Islands, Tokelau, Tonga, Tuvalu, Vanuatu, Wallis & Futuna, Western Samoa, Vietnam, Hong Kong, Macau, Taiwan, Malaysia, Kiribati, Nauru, Philippines, Burma, South Korea, Brunei, East Timor, Indonesia, Singapore, Japan, Laos, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Bulgaria, Georgia, Iran, Iraq, Turkey, Greece, The Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia, Romania, Bahrain, Chad, Dijibouti, Egypt, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Kuwait, Libya, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, Yemen, Oman, Pakistan, United Arab Emirates, Afghanistan, Russia, Bangladesh, India, Maldives, Nepal, Sri Lanka, Cyprus, Israel, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Kazakstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Liechtenstein, Switzerland, Belgium, Luxembourg, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, Greenland, Iceland, Latvia, Lithuania, Norway, Sweden, Czech Republic, Germany, Benin, Burkina Faso, Cameroon, Congo, Equatorial Guinea, Gabon, The Gambia, Ghana, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Ivory Coast, Liberia, Mali, Mauritania, Niger, Nigeria, Senegal, Sierra Leone, Togo, Western Sahara, Channel Islands, Ireland, Isle of Man, Northern Ireland, United Kingdom, Azores, Balearic Islands, Canary Islands, Cape Verde, Gibraltar, Portugal, Principality of Andorra, Spain, Spanish Enclaves (Ceuta & Melilla), Algeria, France, Monaco, Morocco, Tunisia, Angola, Botswana, Burundi, Central African Republic, Comoros, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Kenya, Lesotho, Madagascar, Malawi, Mauritius, Mozambique, Namibia, Rwanda, Seychelles, South Africa, Swaziland, Tanzania, Uganda, Zambia, Zimbabwe, Albania, Bosnia, Croatia, Italy, Malta, Montenegro, San Marino, Serbia, Slovenia, Netherlands, Poland, Austria, Belarus, Hungary, Moldova, Slovak Republic, Ukraine.)

With that kind of presence, we insure that the rest of the world follows our lead. And if they don't toe the line in the way we want to fight the drug war, we threaten to cut foreign aid, or in the case of Venezuela, which kicked out the DEA for spying, we accuse them of allowing drug trafficking.
Most countries are hesitant to buck the system, and would rather appear eager to participate.
Click the link below to view this discussion.

I too believe that Dick Cheney and George the Second deserve impeachment but the congress has failed to act on the bills introduced by several brave democratic representitives, so get up the gumption to support good legislation including three Hemp reform bills currently stalled in congressional commitees;
HR 1009 by Hon Ron Paul, in support of American Hemp crops.
Two bills by Hon Barney Frank, a democrat with the huevos to do whats right!
Please encourage your representitives to co-sponsor and pass these important reforms and send them to Barack Obama and he will do the right thing, I believe in him, give AMERICANS reform, not crisis bailouts and corporate welfare!

Follow the money trail!!

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There is literally billions and billions of dollars at stake when it comes to the "drug wars" and those dollars come from the "free" labor found in our over crowded jails...ask Cheney where his money is invested. It's no coincidence the jails are full of kids. Hypocrisy prevails in D.C.

Taxing weed would make 100 times more money.

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Your free labor claim is nonsense Sarah. If all 2,000,000 prisoners worked 10 hours a day it wouldn't come close to taxing weed. In the BOP less than 5% of the inmates work in UNICOR.

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The draconian drug laws are partly responsible for Bush/Cheney. Repealing them is a more systemic solution with far reaching consequences regarding how our country is run. A better solution would be for Mr. Obama to sign the World Criminal Court treaty, as we should have done this already; a natural consequence of this will be a venue where Bush's pardons will be irrelevant (do you suppose a pardon from A. Hitler would have mattered to the litigators at Nuremberg?)

End the war on drugs...

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I am all for the focus on reforming some of our country's idiotic drug laws. This should be one of the top causes for the democrat.com orginization. More lives are ruined by marijuana laws than Dick Cheney. That said, I still would like to see Cheney charged with war crimes. When Obama is president maybe we can push for both

Special Prosecuter

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Going after Bush and Cheney will merely prolong the Bush-Cheney era, and will divert much-needed energy, focus, and people from trying to solve the difficult issues that they have left us.

Marijuana legalization

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I am appalled at Democrats.com for sending me an email attempting to knock marijuana legalization from the top of the change.gov Open Questions list to promote the appointment of a special prosecutor to go after Bush/Cheney for all of their admittedly criminal behavior. You could have called for people to support your proposal without heaping implied criticism on the other proposal. Anyway, in light of Obama's terse and insufficient explanation for his position in opposition to what any intelligent person possibly may view as sound public policy (in answer to the legalization of marijuana questions ending 12/30), he rightly deserves to be called on it. Is this change? I thought oversimplification was out of fashion and the American people voted for intelligent policies and reasoned discourse on public issues. "President-elect Obama is not in favor of the legalization of marijuana" as a statement of his policies on what amazingly made it to #1 on the hit parade on change.gov is appalling and if change is to be real, and not illusory, his transition team should take the opportunity presented by marijuana again being the # 1 question, to articulate a sound public policy that signifies the change on this issue that America is calling for. END THE FREAKIN' DRUG WAR NOW! Sorry for the shouting, but I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore.

You didn't vote for Dennis, you dummie.

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Its your fault Obama is in the white House. Blame yourself.

Dennis Kucinich

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You do not know who I voted for, you should keep the discourse on a higher level, and [sound from game show signifying a wrong answer] I did vote for Kucinich in the NY primary.

You are looking like the fool now, eh?

Legalize Marijuana

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I'd much rather legalize marijuana. There's no question that it's going to be easier and far better for America if we end this pointless drug war. Cheney is a slime ball and even if we pin something on him it's never going to stick, that's not to say we shouldn't try but if you're telling me to pick between the 2 I'd much rather legalize marijuana. More people have had their entire lives ruined with a felony conviction for marijuana possession than Cheney ever tortured. At least in Cheney's defense it's POSSIBLE he's in the right, there's no possible way it's right to punish anyone for simply possessing marijuana.

Why didn't you vote for Dennis?

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He would have legalized pot.

To not know that Dems and Reps are in bed is critical.

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We keep electing a pack of liars and crooks who all take bribes they call "campaign contributions". Until we form a strong third party we have no chance. Obama is part of the fraud. His cabinet is a gross abomination. If you never knew Hillary was a fraud when she claimed she was shot at in Bosnia, that failed to make it clear.

Expecting Obama to go after Cheney is stupid.

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If you disagree with an action he (Obama) takes, please offer specific constructive criticism with your preferred alternative and explain how it could realistically pass Congress - rather than simply attack without offering politically realistic alternatives.

Cheney/Bush indicted on War Crimes Charges

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You can forget that...For some reason, I don't think either will ever be indicted or tried for any "crimes." This was an "illegal' and "undclarable war" and will never find it's place in history.... too many on the 'take.' Billions missing and no one knows where it went..Billions given to these Crooks in the Insurance Industry and Automobile Industry... noone is being held accountable....WE Taxpayers will pay for it, for yrs. to come while they all have a great time on the $$$.... Every time a bill is passed, it is what Bush wants.."WHY," is what I want to know...What hold does Bush/Cheney have on everybody? Nobody dares to go against them...WHY? Oh yeh, lots of talk in Congress, but when it comes right down to the nitty gritty, Bush always gets his way..Bush disregards all and stomps on the Constitution...Crime does pay, if your a Politician!!! My question to all in Congress, is, who is making the big payoffs? We really need to clean out the House and Senate...no more long terms...no more pay raises until you do the jobs we ask for. Shorter vacations and more work days...same as all Blue collar workers, who work their butts off....get one paid vacation, a yr...not 10----Listen to the People....You commit a crime, you stand trial....We have laws we have to obide by, and it also means you Politicians 'must' too....you play, you pay... No, I doubt Cheney, confession or not, will ever be indicted for anything...and Bush will be allowed to go and live in his new mansion, probably paid for, with regards, from the people of the USA...He had "$91-mil. audit with the IRS..yet bought a new home for a "three-million" + figure..now you tell me, how this can be done on ($91-mil?) Crime "DOES PAY" if your the "illegal, unelected" president and VP...As for Marijuana...isn't as bad as liquor, which Bush still "drinks"....If I could, I'd send all involved to where all criminals are tried and sentenced, for War Crimes...Good luck, it "ain't" going to be done.....But maybe once out of office, they can be arrested..Bush cannot pardon himself because he hasn't been convicted of anything, "YET?" Remains to be seen what we'll get....but don't hold your breath..it is almost 8-yrs and they are still giving orders...Iraq was invaded in 2001...(9-11 was an inside job, and one day it'll be proven)...Bush/Cheney are guilty of murdering millions of innocent people....who had nothing to do with 9-11...All for the almighty control of the OIL.....Wake up!!

Crony Political Puppets in charge of everything

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Just waiting for Americans to HAVE TO come to their monopolized Corporate treadmill, where you run, run run for the boss, and leave the family out of it.

Baby Boom, remember?


Encourage Obama to Appoint a Special Prosecutor for Bush Adminis

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The Obama website has obstructed the search for "Fitzgerald." It leads nowhere.


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Obviously, the web site now is being rigged so that they get the results they want, especially after marijuana came in as the # 1 question in additional issues. Don't you think the Obama transition team asked Democrats.com to send out that email to millions about Cheny/Bush indictment just so that marijuana wiould not come in first place for two times in a row?

Actually NO!

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Don't you think it is time to put the tin foil away and give Obama a chance to prove what kind of leader he will be?

Ask yourself has any other president elect ever put up a web site or any other form of direct communication with the voters asking what issues we cared most about? Let's give the man a chance before accusing him or his team of anything.

Don't you think the Obama transition team asked Democrats.com to send out that email to millions about Cheny/Bush indictment just so that marijuana wiould not come in first place for two times in a row?

If you knew anything about Bob Fertik you would wash your own mouth out with soap for saying such a thing. Since you apparently don't know anything about him ask any long time poster here if they can even imagine Bob agreeing to being involved in any kind of conspiracy, especially one as lame as that.

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It works just fine now

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Try the web site again, R.W. I was just there and a search for Fitzgerald brought this right up.

"Will you appoint a Special Prosecutor - ideally Patrick Fitzgerald - to independently investigate the gravest crimes of the Bush Administration, including torture and warrantless wiretapping?"
Bob Fertik, New York City

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I am all for the marijuana

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I am all for the marijuana legalization. Put in hemp! Take out corn! We need to legalize marijuana to empty the jails! Hemp could be a viable product producing fabric,,food,drug, and even construction material. Quit the fear mongering around this valuable herb.

Indictment for war crimes

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If Cheney were to be indicted, Condileza Rice and others should be also; but such an action would be divisive and not in the best interest of the Party or the country. If Cheney were indicted by the World Court, we should not protect him but send him to The Hague.

Legalize cannabis or put Cheney in jail?

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Each and every Democrat on the House and Senate intelligence committee's are as guilty as Dick Cheney!

Pelosi, Harman, Rockefeller, and Reid come to mind as candidates for impeachment along with Bush and Cheney and Addington and Yoo, and Gonzales, and the rest.

Why do you think impeachment is "off-the-table?" The reason? Democratic complicity!

So, when Democrats.Com ask a California medical marijuana patient/political junky which should be given the most juice, cannabis or impeachment my cynicism comes full bloom.

Of course I want to see justice and have real checks and balances restored. Of course I want to see and end to the dangerous Cheney tool, i.e., the unitary executive theory. Of course I want to see those that trampled on the Constitution and Geneva Conventions brought to justice.

But, as I've noted above there's simply too much Democratic complicity to the torture and breaking of Geneva Convention rules to place the blame ONLY on Republicans.

Here's the "BIG LIE" Democrats won't tell us about CANNABIS. In 1998, both party's voted to make it against the laws of the Constitution to be pro-cannabis OR TO SUPPORT CANNABIS LEGALIZATION.

Don't believe me? Google "TITLE VII OFFICE OF NATIONAL DRUG CONTROL POLICY REAUTHORIZATION ACT OF 1998: H11225...under (Responsibilities of the Director (aka the Drug Czar) 12. A) and 12. B).

If President-elect Barak Obama is willing to look into and FIX the problems with cannabis prohibition, I'll remain a Democratic voter.

If he's not,and/or the party doesn't support him then me and my 36-year-history of 100% support for Democratic candidates is history as well. Democrats have been willing to use prohibition as a tool just like Republican's. If science doesn't matter to government, then why should anyone trust anything you folks say or do?

Take a look at what studies NIH and the DEA allows on cannabis and then tell me that the U.S. governement believes in science! At this time, 13 U.S. States have gone against federal policy. How many will it take before politicians of any stripe get the message?

I've got a question for Democratic voter's and ALL Democratic politicians. What do you know about Harry J. Anslinger? Because if you don't know about Harry, then you don't know jack about prohibition.