Bush-Cheney Torture Killed Thousands of Americans
On Meet the Press, Sen. Dick Durbin (D-IL) smacked Newt Gingrich defense of torture by citing Matthew Alexander's conclusion that torture killed thousands of American troops. Gingrich's reply was nasty as always:
there were over 550,000 troops who served in Iraq. I'm sure you can find one to agree with you
Just one? Let's accept Newt's challenge and count them all.
"Matthew Alexander", former U.S. military interrogator in Iraq:
I learned in Iraq that the No. 1 reason foreign fighters flocked there to fight were the abuses carried out at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo. Our policy of torture was directly and swiftly recruiting fighters for al-Qaeda in Iraq. The large majority of suicide bombings in Iraq are still carried out by these foreigners. They are also involved in most of the attacks on U.S. and coalition forces in Iraq. It's no exaggeration to say that at least half of our losses and casualties in that country have come at the hands of foreigners who joined the fray because of our program of detainee abuse. The number of U.S. soldiers who have died because of our torture policy will never be definitively known, but it is fair to say that it is close to the number of lives lost on Sept. 11, 2001. How anyone can say that torture keeps Americans safe is beyond me -- unless you don't count American soldiers as Americans.
Here's more from Matthew Alexander in response to Cheney:
Anyone who served in Iraq, and veterans on both sides of the aisle have made this argument, knows that the foreign fighters did not come to Iraq en masse until after the revelations of torture and abuse at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo Bay. I heard this from captured foreign fighters day in and day out when I was supervising interrogations in Iraq. What the former Vice President didn't say is the fact that the dislike of our policies in the Middle East were not enough to make thousands of Muslim men pick up arms against us before these revelations. Torture and abuse became Al Qaida's number one recruiting tool and cost us American lives.
Watch Matthew Alexander for yourself at Brave New Films.
Alberto Mora, Former Navy general counsel:
There are serving U.S. flag-rank officers who maintain that the first and second identifiable causes of U.S. combat deaths in Iraq – as judged by their effectiveness in recruiting insurgent fighters into combat – are, respectively the symbols of Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo.
Adm. Mike Mullen, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs:
"The concern I've had about Guantanamo in these wars is it has been a symbol, and one which has been a recruiting symbol for those extremists and jihadists who would fight us. So and I think that centers -- you know, that's the heart of the concern for Guantanamo's continued existence, in which I spoke to a few years ago, the need to close it," Mullen said.
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I don't believe that it helped either our troops or the Iraqi...
people when our former pretzeldent snarled on world tv and radio:
"BRING IT ON!"
A mind once expanded can never return to its original dimensions.
Anne Hathaway: 1556-1623
The greatest derangement of the mind is to believe in something because one wishes it to be so.
George W Bush, our past pretzeldent...
still doesn't know what "Bring it on" actually meant. There are simply to many words in his comment, for him to understand all of them. Especially if they make a sentence.
Apparently his Repud followers couldn't figure it out either.